Ahhhh, I wonder if the EMWIN feed is made by the socket feed from the TOC? That
would explain all of this, and why it was the only feed that also stayed up and
running.
Gilbert
Gilbert Sebenste
Meteorology Support Analyst
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From: Daniel Vietor - NOAA Affiliate <dan.vietor@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 10:51 AM
To: Sebenste, Gilbert <sebensteg@xxxxxxx>
Cc: Stonie Cooper <cooper@xxxxxxxx>; NOAAPORT <noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; LDM
<ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: [noaaport] NOAAport/SBN outage as of
13:30Z
We have a socket feed from the TOC at AWC. We request about a third of the text
products that are in the WMO feed for our socket feed as a backup for when
NOAAPort goes down. The socket feed is missing that space after the sequence
numbers. So when we moved from using an old AWIPS ingestor to the LDM NOAAPort
ingester, we got a lot of duplicates because of that added space. We also noted
an extra CR/CR/LF on the text products. That made the text products from LDM
NOAAPort 4 bytes longer than we were seeing from the socket feed from the TOC.
Since we didn't control the software that ingested the TOC socket feed, I ended
up modifying the productMaker code in the LDM. I removed the space after the
sequence number and added code to not add a CR/CR/LF if the product already
ends with that sequence. As a result, I don't do this for binary products
(BUFR, GRIB) that don't have a trailing CR/CR/LF in the raw NOAAPort stream and
need those added. That got rid of our duplicate problem.
I did contribute my changes back to Unidata sometime in the 2013/14 timeframe
but they considered it a one site modification and didn't apply it to the LDM
code base. So I now do that change for each new LDM version we deploy on our
NOAAPort receive LDM. It's only a two line change. So it's easy for me to do it.
Dan.
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:23 AM Sebenste, Gilbert
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Interesting. LDM 6.14.5 rejected the duplicates here. (shrug)
Gilbert Sebenste
Meteorology Support Analyst
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From: Stonie Cooper <cooper@xxxxxxxx<mailto:cooper@xxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 10:20 AM
To: Sebenste, Gilbert <sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>>
Cc: Herzmann, Daryl E [AGRON]
<akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx>>; Mike Zuranski
<mzuranski@xxxxxxxx<mailto:mzuranski@xxxxxxxx>>; LDM
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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: [noaaport] NOAAport/SBN outage as of
13:30Z
Daryl indicated that they were not deduplicated in his setup . . . which
requires additional investigation. . . .
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:18 AM Sebenste, Gilbert
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Because that shouldn't be the LDM's issue. If the NWS is inconsistent sending
out products, that should be on them to fix, not Stonie or anyone else.
In either case, what is the issue? Again, Stonie showed that the duplication of
products were stopped...so the LDM is, in fact, doing what you want.
Gilbert
Gilbert Sebenste
Meteorology Support Analyst
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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: [noaaport] NOAAport/SBN outage as of
13:30Z
Stonie,
Good grief, then fix LDM then to stop assuming 11 bytes to ignore and make it
forgive the lack of a space. Why punt this issue to every IDD downstream user,
when it can be fixed it at the source?
daryl
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To: Herzmann, Daryl E [AGRON]
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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: [noaaport] NOAAport/SBN outage as of
13:30Z
I'd also like to see the ICD that says there is supposed to be a space after
the artificially applied sequence number. I can relate equal numbers of met
data users that complain about the existence or absence of this particular
Alden artifact, when in the end, just make your decoder resilient to accept
either.
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:00 AM Herzmann, Daryl E [AGRON]
<akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
wrote:
Howdy Gilbert,
I'm gonna sound like a grump again, but we need to be very careful about
putting EMWIN data onto the IDD feed. The reason is that the EMWIN and
NOAAPort feeds are not byte-by-byte identical, so LDM has no chance to properly
dedup these products.
For example, the ADMSDM product was duplicated twice:
wmo_valid_at | product_origin |
seqnum | size
------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+----------+------
2023-03-29 13:54:00+00 |
exo.aggregatehail.com_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu<http://exo.aggregatehail.com_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu><http://exo.aggregatehail.com_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu>
| 999 | 742
2023-03-29 13:54:00+00 |
np2.ssec.wisc.edu_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu<http://np2.ssec.wisc.edu_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu><http://np2.ssec.wisc.edu_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu>
| 73462429 | 743
2023-03-29 14:07:00+00 |
exo.aggregatehail.com_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu<http://exo.aggregatehail.com_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu><http://exo.aggregatehail.com_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu>
| 999 | 742
2023-03-29 14:07:00+00 |
leno.unidata.ucar.edu_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu<http://leno.unidata.ucar.edu_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu><http://leno.unidata.ucar.edu_v_idd.agron.iastate.edu>
| 73472992 | 743
(4 rows)
As a reminder, the LDM MD5 checksum ignores the first 11 bytes of a product, so
the "sequence number" at the top of the product does not matter for the MD5
calculation. The most common difference between the two feeds is the presence
or absence of CR or LF at the end of the product, but this does not account for
all of the differences. Another difference is the "Aviation Control Character"
that gets stripped out.
In this case, and importantly to whomever wrote the EMWIN to IDD ingest, is the
missing space character after the sequence number:
999^M^M <-- missing space here
NOUS42 KWNO 291407^M^M
ADMSDM^M^M
This space needs to be there for the 11 byte ignore calculation to be correct.
It would be nice that we could turn on this level of redundancy full-time, but
we'd likely need to condition the noaaport + EMWIN ingests to rectify these
differences so that LDM can generate identical MD5 and properly dedup the feeds.
daryl
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on behalf of Sebenste, Gilbert
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx><mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 9:18 AM
To: Mike Zuranski
Cc: LDM; NOAAPORT
Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: [noaaport] NOAAport/SBN outage as of
13:30Z
AllisonHouse just turned on a kludged EMWIN feed to at least get some
IDS|DDPLUS products going again until this outage is over with. They are
sending it to UNIDATA, so they hope it is getting through the system.
Gilbert Sebenste
Meteorology Support Analyst
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From: Mike Zuranski
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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 8:44 AM
To: Sebenste, Gilbert
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx><mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>>>
Cc: LDM
<ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>;
NOAAPORT
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Subject: [External] Re: [noaaport] NOAAport/SBN outage as of 13:30Z
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Morning Gilbert,
I'm seeing the same and am investigating. Thanks for your report.
Best,
-Mike
Mike Zuranski
Data Engineer II
Unidata Program Center
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 8:43 AM Sebenste, Gilbert
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx><mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>><mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx><mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>>>>
wrote:
Getting a strong NOAAport/SBN signal here at the College of DuPage, but outside
of literally 6 products since 13:30Z, the feed has been dead.
This as of 13:42Z.
Gilbert
Gilbert Sebenste
Meteorology Support Analyst
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