Re: [galeon] [WCS-2.0.swg] CF-netCDF standards initiatives

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Hello,

IMHO it makes complete sense to bring CF semantics to OGC as this part hasn't 
been completely addressed anyway, plus it is probably reusable with other 
encodings such as GML application profiles and SWE Common.

I fail to see however why it is necessary to bring the NetCDF binary format and 
API to OGC just to work on it. I am not sure I understand what everybody gains 
in bringing this to the OGC. Isn't NetCDF already a standard in its own 
communities? Why do these communities need OGC? Isn't it just a way to get an 
OGC stamp of approval on legacy systems?

One can also see the NetCDF API as just another API like GDAL, geotools, JAI, 
etc... I think enabling the NetCDF API to make use of OGC encodings and web 
interfaces (in addition to NetCDF and DAP for instance) would bridge a HUGE gap 
without requiring NetCDF to become an OGC standard itself.

I know integrating read/write capabilities to/from SWE Common could be done 
100% transparently for existing users of software relying on the NetCDF API. 
Integrating some aspects of remote access via WCS or SOS could also be done 
pretty nicely I believe.

Regards,

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> -----Message d'origine-----
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> bounces+alexandre.robin=spotimage.fr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wcs-
> 2.0.swg-bounces+alexandre.robin=spotimage.fr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] De
> la part de John Caron
> Envoyé : mardi 25 août 2009 20:16
> Cc : Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg
> Objet : Re: [WCS-2.0.swg] [galeon] CF-netCDF standards initiatives
> 
> Robin, Alexandre wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steven,
> >
> > I understand that you don't have time to spend in OGC however if non
> > of the major players are involved in the process and keep pushing
> > their own legacy formats instead then for sure our standards are doomed...
> >
> > You know NetCDF is not the only one. The military has NITF and a bunch
> > of STANAG standards, meteorology people have their own, navigation has
> > NMEA, etc... All of them are heavily used throughout their community and
> > required great investments. Some of them actually deal with coverages,
> > ocean or atmospheric data so they do overlap with NetCDF earth science
> > focus. So which ones do we pick?
> >
> Its true that NetCDF is just another legacy file format. But its also
> true that NetCDF is a *general-purpose* scientific data format, that is
> not specific to meteorology, climate research, or any earth science
> discipline. In this sense it is different from NITF or NMEA, or GRIB or
> BUFR, or any domain specific format. This is an important distinction
> which is both a strength and weakness for transporting binary data.
> 
> (BTW, the file format hadnt changed in 15 years, when a few years ago we
> added one variation to allow sizes to exceed 2 Gb. So there are now
> exactly two variations of the "netCDF classic file format". Note that im
> not talking about netCDF-4/HDF5 format, which has many variants.)
> 
> None of this is all that important, as Bryan rightly point out. The hard
> stuff is the semantics.
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