According to Carissa's email from 12/5, NCEP was also caught off guard by this.
<http://www.weather.com/tv/shows/wx-geeks/video/the-incredible-shrinking-cold-pool>--
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From: Mike Dross <mdross@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:25 PM
To: Pete Pokrandt
Cc: Gilbert Sebenste; Hughes, Brian; ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
Thanks for asking about that Pete.
They way it was dropped without warning and never sent a response on it, was
disconcerting.
Granted the NWS does not use these 0.5 degree products. (They have access to
higher resolution encrypted ECMWF data), but many in the private/education
sector did.
Since FOS was terminated, NOAAPORT is the primary, most reliable, means to
receive data for many from NOAA. Better communications would help in the
future.
-Mike
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Pete Pokrandt
<poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
All,
Quick update on this. I ran into Becky Cosgrove at AMS this week, and she said
that the 0.5 deg replacement ECMWF data will NOT be going out over NOAAPORT,
primarily because of bandwidth constraints.
However, I asked what about putting the merger of WMO Essential and WMO
Additional products (basically same fields/levels we used to get) out on the
CONDUIT data stream, and she was willing to look into that. Sounded like it
could happen.
As of about 5 minutes ago, I have an email in to her reminding her of our
conversation. I'll keep you posted if I hear anything more.
Pete
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Subject: RE: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
Pete,
Yes, we are a member of the WMO. However, we aren’t members of ECMWF.
The real issue is this: NOAAport had several ECMWF products that are
“additional” by the NWS at 2.5 degree resolution, that have now been
discontinued as of December 1. These were the products that were beyond WMO
Resolution 40. The NWS can get at these parameters; it’s a matter of if the NWS
wants to send it out at the .5 degree resolution.
Either way: I do hope we see these data again on NOAAport at 0.5 degrees
resolution. Whatever you think of the ECWMF model versus any other, it’s darn
good, and I will miss it being on there.
Gilbert
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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
The other levels (700, 200, etc.) are "available to WMO members" with some
restrictions, no commercial use, etc.. but to get a password for their ftp
server, one needs to "contact our Permanent WMO rep and ask them to send an
email to the ECMWF director."
That sounds like above my pay grade, and probably what NWS (or Unidata) should
be investigating if we want to see this data on NOAAPORT or CONDUIT(I do!)
<Stupid question> The US is still a WMO member, correct? </Stupid question>
Pete
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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
As you mentioned, quite a few standard parameters missing, 700, 200 level, RH,
etc.
I sure hope NWS can restore at least what was on the SBN.
On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Pete Pokrandt
<poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
es and em are ensemble mean and std deviation. Should have guessed that. ws is
wind speed. Products do go out to 10 days too, compared to 7 days previously.
Pete
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So, looking at that public ftp directory, it looks like they are no longer
distributing any 700 hPa or 200 hPa products. There appears to be only MSLP,
500 hPa Heights, and 850 hPa Temp, U, V, along with some hurricane track
products and some other things (es_msl, and em_msl, and em_ws for example) that
I'm not sure what they are yet.
The 0.5 deg is nice, the lack of anything above 500 hPa is a bummer.
Pete
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Lovely. Thanks, Brian. Anyone: did I miss a Service Change Notice?
Gilbert
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Hughes, Brian
> <Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Hi Gilbert,
>
> We have reached out to NWS regarding this. It appears ECMWF stopped
> transmitting the 2.5deg in favor of the 0.5 deg which is not currently on
> NOAAPort.
>
> -Brian
>
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> Duncan Jeffery (UKMET) wrote
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> Dear colleagues
> As of 0000UTC on the 1st December ECMWF retired their GRIB
> edition-1 low resolution products.This change had been notified
> to the WMO secretariat, and appeared in the WWW Operational
> Newsletter on 12th October. The original message from ECMWF
> read:
>
> ECMWF will stop the production and transmission of GRIB edition-1
> products at 2.5x2.5 degrees on the 1st December 2017.
>
> Detailed information about these products, including the TTAAii headers,
> can be found at:
>
> (https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/datasets/public-wmo-acmad/gts-headers-gl
> obal-distribution)
>
> These deprecated products have been replaced with higher resolution
> products in GRIB edition-2, which have been available on the WIS
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> Hello everyone,
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> Over on the HRS feed, I received a limited set of European model data via
> NOAAport:
>
> -rw-r-r-- 1 ldm blahblah 2227608 Nov 30 12:57 12113017.gbe
>
> Since the 12Z 11/30/17 run, I've received nothing. Has the NWS discontinued
> broadcasting this data over NOAAport? I didn't see any announcements about
> it.
>
> Gilbert
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