Re: [ldm-users] NEXRAD2/NEXRAD3 lag?

Yes.  SAS drives on all three machines, two are Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge...the
other is an AMD hexacore running at 3.6 GHz.  Each box has 1Gbps symmetric
and at least 16GB RAM.


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Robert Mullenax <
Robert.Mullenax@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Are you 100% sure it isn't a local write to disk issue..not a big enough
> queue or general performance issues. What OS, file system, and type of
> disks do you have?
>
>
>
> On May 17, 2014, at 12:45 AM, "Blair Trosper" <
> blair.trosper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Odd.  We watch the Internet2 weathermap in real time when we see delay,
> and none of the 10Gbps connections are ever more than 1% utilized.  So it's
> not a problem inside Internet2.
>
> Can someone help me remember where the document is that explains how data
> gets from NOAA into the LDM feed trees?
>
> The last one I saw was a few years ago, and I absolutely cannot remember
> how I found it.  Unfortunately, as with a lot of things on the UNIDATA site
> (like rtstats), there are often broken links or server errors -- or
> documents that are just flat our wrong or out of date as well.
>
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Ryan Hickman <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> We (AllisonHouse) do not acquire the NEXRAD2 data outside of LDM. In
>> fact, we share common upstream providers.
>>
>> This sounds like an issue that is unique to Internet2.
>>
>> - Ryan Hickman
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> AllisonHouse
>>
>> On May 17, 2014, at 12:18 AM, Blair Trosper <
>> blair.trosper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> No joy there.  Our providers (TAMU, OU, WISC, et al) are all under tier 1
>> providers, and there is no lag.
>>
>> I can't find the document that describes how the NEXRAD2 data is fed into
>> the LDM system.  I think it happens in DC at the Internet2 aperture, but
>> that information may be out of date (or I may be remembering it wrong).
>>
>> As I recall, two weeks ago, we weren't the only ones seeing this lag.
>>
>> And we're still seeing it on three servers with three separate upstream
>> providers -- and each server is deliberately on different BGP/backbone
>> providers for geographic AND network diversity.
>>
>> Something's not quite right, and I think the key is understanding how the
>> NEXRAD2 data gets into LDM...and then going to THAT source to find out why
>> it's delayed.  I know Allison House's data isn't delayed (whereas iastate's
>> is), so my guess is they're acquiring it independently of LDM.
>>
>> So we know iastate.edu is getting data 10 minutes late just like we are,
>> as are our upstream providers...but the servers themselves are always at 0
>> or 1 second of lag.
>>
>> Something is definitely wrong.  We don't see any lag on any of the other
>> feed trees (HDS, IDS, WMO, NGRID, UNIWISC, NEXRAD3, etc).  This seems to be
>> unique to NEXRAD2.
>>
>> Can someone from UCAR/UNIDATA jump in and help us...or should we open a
>> formal support ticket?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Steven Emmerson <
>> emmerson.steven@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> It could be that the last NEXRAD2 data-product is stuck in a system
>>> buffer. Try putting a "-flush" or "-close" on the relevant PIPE action.
>>> On May 11, 2014 11:49 AM, "Gilbert Sebenste" <
>>> sebenste@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Blair,
>>>>
>>>>  We are still seeing this.  I know the TOC was made aware of this issue
>>>>> two
>>>>> weeks ago, but despite all our servers being 0 seconds lagged on the
>>>>> NEXRAD2 feed tree, our data (from multiple providers who are also not
>>>>> lagged) is at least 10 minutes behind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Been off the grid, for the most part, or I would have answered earlier .
>>>> Things to look for:
>>>>
>>>> Can you do a traceroute to the servers in question? See if anything is
>>>> jammed up inbetween them and you.
>>>>
>>>> Are all network cards set at least at 100 mb? If 10 mb, it can't handle
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Is the system clock correct? Are you using ntp? This is a must.
>>>>
>>>>  Also, this page is a 500 internal server error and has been for
>>>>> months, and nobody has fixed it or seems to even notice:
>>>>> http://rtstats.unidata.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/rtstats/rtstats_
>>>>> topogif?NEXRAD2
>>>>>
>>>>> And this one takes over a minute to load:
>>>>> http://rtstats.unidata.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/rtstats/rtstats_
>>>>> feedtree?NEXRAD2
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but you can verify from the second link that we're not lagging
>>>>> (search
>>>>> for "tampa" or "chicago").
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Give those a try aboove, and see what happens.
>>>>
>>>> Gilbert
>>>>
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