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Hi Milan and John, Perhaps I can usefully contribute here.We did originally have a checksum for each of the main sections of BUFR, but the justification was mainly to do with unreliable bit orientated telecoms, and limits on block sizes. We addressed those by saying that the telecoms protocol should handle them. We wanted a clean, orthogonal separation of transport protocol and content.
We never considered correcting errors between tables, messages and applications. We didn't even envisage more than one Master Table - multiple master tables were a bit of an afterthought, to accommodate the oceanographers. We never really thought through in detail how things would be administered. It was left as a trivial exercise for the readers!
From the outside, I can see you all adding bits here and there to fixthings. I would say Bufr is now in its 'baroque' or 'rococo' phase, and I would recommend some serious pruning/deprecation/simplification/re-factoring to get back to a more 'classical' structure, perhaps a 'BUFR- lite'. I think complexity, even if it is necessary, seems to be a barrier to wider take up of BUFR. I think the success of NetCDF and HDF came from simplicity and elegance first (and supplied software and APIs), and then complexity came after it had been taken up and the community recognised that the extras were needed.
I hope you can come up with a straightforward table maintenance process.
Best wishes, Chris Chris Little International Telecommunications Met Office FitzRoy Road Exeter Devon EX1 3PB United KingdomTel: +44(0)1392 886278 Fax: +44(0)1392 885681 Mobile: +44(0)7753 880514
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Sent: 18 August 2008 23:21 To: Milan.Dragosavac@xxxxxxxxx Cc: bufrtables@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [bufrtables] More on table versions
Hi Milan:Thanks for your thoughts on this. One of the interesting questions is whether software can automatically detect if the wrong table is being used to decode. When the bit widths are wrong, the answer is usually yes, since one can "count bits" and compare to the data section length.However, if scale/offset/units is wrong, then one must actually understand the data in order to detect problems, and even then it way not get detected.Something that perhaps you have thought of before is to embed something like an MD5 checksum into the BUFR message, to be compared against the MD5 of the master table stored at the WMO. Obviously a lot of trouble, and even then not foolproof, but perhaps worth considering, especially for archived data.Regards, JohnMilan Dragosavac wrote: Hi John, I believe you might find almost any master table version number in the data. In practice in the section 1 you will find local version numbersuse as well although the local entries are not really used. In any case you can always first try making link to version 13 and find out how it goes. I am sure it will work in almost all cases. I will try to address this problem at WMO ET/DRC Meetings. Best regards Milan Milan Dragosavac ECMWF Shinfield Park, Reading, Berkshire, RG2 9AX, UK Tel: (+44 118) 949 9403 Fax: (+44 118) 986 9450 Telex: 847908 ECMWF G E-mail: milan.dragosavac@xxxxxxxxx
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