From talking from time to time with people at HDF Group, one of the problems
is everyone wants to use it, no one wants to pay for it, my Agency no
exception (in fact we are probably one of the worse in this regard). They will
gladly buy software from Microsoft or ESRI, but not just make payments to
support things like the HDF Group or for that matter Unidata.
Maybe we can have versions with and without advertising!! (just kidding).
Seriously, I can understand where HDF Group is coming from, they are trying
to develop a model that allows for financial stability. But it makes for some
tough choices for others.
I have always wondered just how long-term and secure the funding is for netCDF
(and no Sean you don't need to answer). And on twitter and on the HDF Forum
some people have mentioned moving to some other formats, which if I intuit
things correctly are equally insecurely funded.
As I said, I don't have a lot of good answers. But maybe people can start
thinking about ways to insure that formats that are important to our scientific
communities are properly funded.
-Roy
> On May 9, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate
> <gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Certainly the reduced frequency of releases, and the fairly obvious attempt
> to slow bug fixes/updates represents a strategy. I'm concerned that the
> attempt to make sure they maintain a stable financial footing is likely to
> cause them problems down the road. I agree with Roy, too. The mix they
> propose is only going to hurt the community overall.
>
> gerry
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Sean Arms <sarms@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Great points, Roy. We are discussing exactly these kinds of things
> now. Any feedback from the community from the point of view of
> netCDF-4 will certainly be welcome.
>
> I will say that because we role our own HDF reader, we likely won't be
> able to support any enterprise only features of HDF5 in the
> netCDF-Java stack unless we do a cleanroom implementation (ugh)...at
> least that's from how I interpret the "[c]lients agree to not share
> proprietary items, e.g. binaries, add-ons, documentation, etc."
> statement from their FAQ. More to come, I'm certain.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
> <roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Sean:
> >
> > Thanks. This may cause a real conundrum. If you go with the Enterprise
> > version. people may not be able to build on their own if the only have the
> > Community Edition, as they might be differences that matter. If you go
> > with the Community edition, you will be late getting possibly important
> > patches.
> >
> > Can't say I have a good solution. was the first thing I thought of when I
> > saw the announcement.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Roy
> >
> >
> >> On May 9, 2018, at 1:05 PM, Sean Arms <support-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> RE: The HDF Group's announcement of an Enterprise Support Edition
> >>
> >> Unidata is evaluating ways to ensure ongoing support for HDF5-format data
> >> in netCDF, which will continue to be available to the community at no
> >> cost. We
> >> hope to be able to outline a way forward for netCDF shortly.
> >>
> >> For those who may have missed the announcement by the HDF Group yesterday,
> >> more details can be found here:
> >>
> >> https://www.hdfgroup.org/2018/05/announcing-development-of-the-enterprise-support-edition-of-hdf5/
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
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