Re: [netcdf-java] runtime aggregation

Oops, sorry, this email was meant for somebody else, please ignore it.

On 12-10-16 12:13, Niels Charlier wrote:
Hello Iain,

Thank you for your response.
It looks like I might need to work on this as well. Perhaps we can work on it together. But we are still investigating whether we really need it or not, so I will let you know. I would like to know what you found out in your investigation stage about the problem. I would expect that changes need to be made to netcdf-java to support it as well?

Kind Regards
Niels

On 06-10-16 21:57, Sean Arms wrote:
Hi Niles,

In general, netCDF-Java can handle 2D time coordinates (runtime, time).

CF conventions, which you are using due to the conventions attribute you added, explains the case of 2D lat/lon variables, but as far as I can tell, not a two dimensional time coordinate variable. Following CF, a 2D lat/lon variable is recognized as a coordinate variable if another variable lists it in its "coordinate" attribute. See http://cfconventions.org/Data/cf-conventions/cf-conventions-1.6/build/cf-conventions.html#idp5559280 for an example. Since a 2D time coordinate was not explicitly mentioned, netCDF-Java appears to have chosen to use the same approach, that is, somewhere in the dataset, the 2D time coordinate must be listed in someones "coordinate" attribute to be picked up as a coordinate variable. For your case, it is not listed explicitly in a coordinate attribute, so it's not being detected as a coordinate variable.

If you want to aggregate using a 2D time (that is, keep time as an aggregation variable), then you need to add the appropriate coordinate attribute to each aggregation variable that will use the 2D time. So, for example,

water_u, salinity, water_v, and water_temp will need the attribute "coordinates: runtime time depth lat lon", and surf_el will need the attribute "coordinates: runtime time lat lon"

Circling back to Ben's question which made me feel a bit uneasy, he asked "Sean, do you expect aggregations to behave the same as single files with the same Conventions? It looks like Niels has identified a difference." to which I responded yes, I expect them to behave the same. However, what was happening here is that time was being upped to a 2D coordinate in the aggregation, which then added a new condition for it to be recognized as a coordinate variable - that is, was it explicitly listed in someones coordinate attribute? In this case, it wasn't explicitly listed in a coordinate attribute, so it was interpreted as a non-coordinate variable in the aggregated dataset. Now, one could argue that maybe netCDF-Java should automagically recognize that time was a 1D coordinate before it was aggregated to 2D, and thus should automatically be treated as a 2D coordinate variable without being listed in another variables coordinate attribute, but I think it's better to force things to be explicit and allow the flexibility for this not to happen. Also, I am not sure the aggregation code tracks things that closely, so automatically doing this would likely slow down aggregations even further. Yuck.

Cheers,

Sean


On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Niels Charlier <niels@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:niels@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Sean, Ben,

    Isn't issue #2 related to the lack of support for two-dimension
    coordinate variables that the client talked about with regards to
    the runtime aggregations?

    Sorry if I am stating the obvious here, I have only been learning
    while working on this.

    I did not fully comprehended the relationship between the two
    issues at first. But reading back my description of what goes
    wrong in the code, it all starts with the time variable not being
    recognised as an axis because of the runtime dimension being
    added to it as a second dimension.

    Still, the aggregation works fine if I leave out the time
    variable. I am still not fully understanding how its presence as
    "variableAgg" affects the end result. I don't see any examples
    online where axis variables are included as variableAgg. This
    isn't exactly clear to me. Please enlighten me on that point.

    Kind Regards

    Niels


    On 09/08/2016 02:51 PM, Niels Charlier wrote:
    2. removal of the "time" variable in the aggregation (see
    commented line in attached .ncml file)

        This issue is related to the previous one, it is again about
    /makeCoordinateSystemsImplicit/ versus
    /makeCoordinateSystemsMaximal/.

        * If the "time" variable is included as aggregation
    variable, it also gets the "runtime" dimension added to its
    dimensions.
        * As a consequence, netcdf-java does not recognise it as an
    AXIS.
        * As a consequence, /makeCoordinateSystemsImplicit /fails to
    include it in the CRS's for the actual variables (water_u,
    salinity, etc...).
        * As a consequence, /makeCoordinateSystemsMaximal /creates a
    CRS for these variables. However, it puts the dimensions in the
    order of the /dimension variable/ list
           (rather than the variable's own dimensions), which is
    completely arbitrary as far as I can see.
        * "runtime" ends up as the last axis instead of the first.
    This is inconsistent with the order of dimensions in the
    variable. Geotools fails on this inconsistency.

        I am not sure whether the fault here lies with the .ncml
    file, geotools or netcdf-java.





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