Re: [ldm-users] The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At least experimentally...

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Thanks all, re the tiles. I kind of suspected that but just started pulling the 
data in an hour ago or so, haven't looked too carefully.

I surmised that the TIRU were full disks based on S being East full disk, T 
being West full disk.. S,T,U, East, West, Central/uncommitted.


Similar to the TIRC being not east or west.


As others have said, time to start playing around!


By the way, if anyone would like a feed of the NOTHER data stream, to take some 
load off of idd.unidata.ucar.edu, or just as a redundant backup, let me know. 
Data is flowing through idd.aos.wisc.edu.


Pete



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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At least 
experimentally...

Thanks, all. TIRC makes sense; I discovered the tiles. Too bad the technical 
documentation didn't learn about TIRC before they fired up the feed!

Now I'll get things started, and see what we can put together!

Again, THANKS!
gerry

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Hughes, Brian 
<Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Pete,

Those denote the "tiles" which make up the larger product. PAA starts in the 
Pacific NW. PAB is a little further east, and so on.

Page 10 of the document at: 
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/noaaport/document/GOES-R_NOAAPort_SBN_040416.pdf

-Brian

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   1. Re: The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At     least
      experimentally... (Pete Pokrandt)


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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 18:44:16 +0000
From: Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate 
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I think TIRC is CONUS, TIRU is hemispheric and TIRP is perhaps Puerto Rico. Not 
sure what all of the trailing PAA, PAB, etc for each channel is..

Pete

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On Mar 3, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate 
<gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx<mailto:gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx><mailto:gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx<mailto:gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx>>>
 wrote:

I'm confused. I'm seeing TIRC, TIRP and TIRU. TIR is large-scale imagery, but 
in the tables I've seen A2 doesn't seem to have an entry for C or U. I've not 
looked at TIRP quite yet. TIRU data from Daryl's dataset (thanks, Daryl!) seems 
to be missing a semiminor axis piece.

IF I read the SBN info properly, I think I'm looking for TIRS, for CONUS 
large-scale ABI data.

Could someone spare a clue-by-4?

gerry

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Gilbert Sebenste 
<gilbert@xxxxxxx<mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx><mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx<mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx>>>
 wrote:
D'oh! I forgot that the "sun outage" . continued through today?and for the next 
few days.

Gilbert

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Hughes, Brian 
> <Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>  wrote:
>
> We are capturing the GOES-16 data at Unisys as well. Having some decoding 
> issues, but we're working on that.
>
> As far as frame loss in the afternoon, don't forget this week is the height 
> of sun eclipse for SES-1 for those of us around 40N. We are seeing frame loss 
> around 19Z each day.
>
> -Brian
> Unisys Weather
>
>
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>>  1. Re: The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At least
>>      ... (Stonie R. Cooper)
>>  2. sample (Patrick L. Francis)
>>  3. Re: The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At least
>>     experimentally... (Gilbert Sebenste)
>>  4. Re: The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At least
>>     experimentally... (Gilbert Sebenste)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:02:49 -0600
>> From: "Stonie R. Cooper" 
>> <stonewall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stonewall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:stonewall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stonewall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
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>> Subject: Re: [ldm-users] The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At
>>   least experimentally...
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>> Late to the party, so sorry, but here is some helpful documentation:
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nws.noaa.gov%2Fnoaaport%2Fdocument%2FGOES-R_NOAAPort_SBN_040416.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C1%7C636241016155264513&sdata=W5IwOIKc8EnzQG%2FRCuywLB11bXNpf0dwjVyBQO5GXP8%3D&reserved=0
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>> Stonie
>>
>>> On 03/02/2017 03:46 PM, daryl herzmann wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Whatever it may be worth to the community, I have collected up ~10
>>> minutes worth (1.1GB yowzers) of the NOTHER GOES-R feed in this zip file .
>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmesonet.agron.iastate.edu%2Fpickup%2Fgoesr%2Fgoesr_sample_10min.zip&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=F3ugjHLWpIcXBWSOHGPEEY8I89zGAbC17zUb1M7ER%2FY%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> I chomped off the WMO header (36 bytes worth) within each product so
>>> that each file should be a valid netcdf4 file.
>>>
>>> daryl
>>>
>>> PS, my testing pqact entry:
>>>
>>> NOTHER    (TI....) (....) (......) (...)
>>>   PIPE    -close    python /home/ldm/chomp.py
>>> /home/ldm/goesr/\1_\2_\3_\4.nc<http://4.nc><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.nc&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Cb84cc4fc62734871114f08d462655a6a%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241634832864137&sdata=bsFUyHBp%2FKv3GSgr%2BisLdT351IA9sl7CIPDpYIuQm9g%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> and my chomp.py script
>>>
>>> ===============================
>>> import sys
>>>
>>> fn = sys.argv[1]
>>> data = sys.stdin.read()
>>> o = open(fn, 'wb')
>>> o.write(data[36:])
>>> o.close()
>>> ==============================
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Mike Zuranski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> I have, though I haven't tried to take any action on it yet.  First off,
>>>> everything I see is coming in from NOTHER, not NIMAGE.  But the following
>>>> pattern works for me:  -p "TI[RS].[01][0-9] KNES"
>>>>
>>>> That pattern should catch anything for GOES-16.  One interesting note, I
>>>> see TIRC.. products, looks like a fresh set every 5 minutes so I'm
>>>> guessing
>>>> that could be CONUS since they haven't committed to East or West yet.
>>>> But
>>>> like I said, haven't investigated too deeply yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~Mike Zuranski
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Patrick L. Francis
>>>> <wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i've been running some notifymes on the dish and haven't seen
>>>>> anything for
>>>>> goes-16 or goesr yet.. has anyone else noticed a pattern?
>>>>>
>>>>> ??????????????????????...........
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick L. Francis
>>>>>
>>>>> Director of Research & Development
>>>>>
>>>>> Aeris Weather
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> ??????????????????????
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>>>>> ..
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 23:11:13 +0000
>> From: "Patrick L. Francis" 
>> <wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> To: "daryl herzmann" 
>> <akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>,
>>   
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>> whelp, if anyone is interested here is a first look at the GOESR data
>> coming over the dish...
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmodelweather.com%2Ffiles%2Fpatrick%2Fgoesr.png&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=N09RG37I63YTPdRQ9mSA4G%2FjoghMAvHfx%2F2PgwSb4UI%3D&reserved=0
>>
>>
>> will be interesting to see what it looks like when it is finally in
>> place, and we receive all of the products :)
>>
>>
>> ??????????????????????...........
>>
>> Patrick L. Francis
>>
>> Director of Research & Development
>>
>> Aeris Weather
>>
>>
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>> From: Gilbert Sebenste 
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>> To: daryl herzmann 
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>> Subject: Re: [ldm-users] The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At
>>   least experimentally...
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>> Thanks, Daryl and Patrick! I guess the product IDs weren't built into the 
>> LDM for GOES-16 yet, so NOTHER is the feedtype it is under.
>>
>> It almost looks like somebody restarted an LDM around 19Z as there was a 
>> momentary data dropout. In any case, it's also obvious that they were 
>> working on the data feed all afternoon, as the carrier to noise was a little 
>> bit lower after the GOES-16 feed was added,  there were some data drop outs 
>> around 21Z. But now it is stable, and I am seeing a carrier to noise ratio 
>> of 17.2 to 1. That's right where it should be.
>>
>> It was a huge feat for NOAA/NWS to get that satellite up there. And in its 
>> own right, it was a huge feat to get the GOES-16 feed going on NOAAport. 
>> Outside of a minor glitch this afternoon, everything appears to be 
>> hunky-dory. Kudos to the National Weather Service, and their contractors, 
>> for a job well done.
>>
>> Gilbert
>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 3:46 PM, daryl herzmann 
>>> <akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Whatever it may be worth to the community, I have collected up ~10 minutes 
>>> worth (1.1GB yowzers) of the NOTHER GOES-R feed in this zip file.
>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmesonet.agron.iastate.edu%2Fpickup%2Fgoesr%2Fgoesr_sample_10min.zip&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=F3ugjHLWpIcXBWSOHGPEEY8I89zGAbC17zUb1M7ER%2FY%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> I chomped off the WMO header (36 bytes worth) within each product so that 
>>> each file should be a valid netcdf4 file.
>>>
>>> daryl
>>>
>>> PS, my testing pqact entry:
>>>
>>> NOTHER    (TI....) (....) (......) (...)
>>>  PIPE    -close    python /home/ldm/chomp.py 
>>> /home/ldm/goesr/\1_\2_\3_\4.nc<http://4.nc><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.nc&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Cb84cc4fc62734871114f08d462655a6a%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241634832864137&sdata=bsFUyHBp%2FKv3GSgr%2BisLdT351IA9sl7CIPDpYIuQm9g%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> and my chomp.py script
>>>
>>> ===============================
>>> import sys
>>>
>>> fn = sys.argv[1]
>>> data = sys.stdin.read()
>>> o = open(fn, 'wb')
>>> o.write(data[36:])
>>> o.close()
>>> ==============================
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Mike Zuranski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> I have, though I haven't tried to take any action on it yet.  First off,
>>>> everything I see is coming in from NOTHER, not NIMAGE.  But the following
>>>> pattern works for me:  -p "TI[RS].[01][0-9] KNES"
>>>>
>>>> That pattern should catch anything for GOES-16.  One interesting note, I
>>>> see TIRC.. products, looks like a fresh set every 5 minutes so I'm guessing
>>>> that could be CONUS since they haven't committed to East or West yet.  But
>>>> like I said, haven't investigated too deeply yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~Mike Zuranski
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Patrick L. Francis 
>>>> <wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i've been running some notifymes on the dish and haven't seen anything for
>>>>> goes-16 or goesr yet.. has anyone else noticed a pattern?
>>>>>
>>>>> ??????????????????????...........
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick L. Francis
>>>>>
>>>>> Director of Research & Development
>>>>>
>>>>> Aeris Weather
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faerisweather.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=%2BZHHTJGS5dN%2BqmxgV%2Ft9H4ZhPb0zysVzuT3LOx42Lwo%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmodelweather.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=MojrZSV72sLh%2FzlCjryc7YtVrpxvatdDj%2Ft4sSqRbpA%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ??????????????????????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ..
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> * Systems Analyst III -- Iowa Environmental Mesonet
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 01:33:16 +0000
>> From: Gilbert Sebenste 
>> <gilbert@xxxxxxx<mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx><mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx<mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx>>>
>> To: daryl herzmann 
>> <akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> Cc: 
>> "ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>"
>>  
>> <ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>,
>>   
>> "noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>"
>>  
>> <noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> Subject: Re: [ldm-users] The big day has come: GOES-16 is here! At
>>   least experimentally...
>> Message-ID: 
>> <C9EB0AF5-9110-42F3-A0D0-F02C57BBE814@xxxxxxx<mailto:C9EB0AF5-9110-42F3-A0D0-F02C57BBE814@xxxxxxx><mailto:C9EB0AF5-9110-42F3-A0D0-F02C57BBE814@xxxxxxx<mailto:C9EB0AF5-9110-42F3-A0D0-F02C57BBE814@xxxxxxx>>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I am now seeing decoded imagery for the first time on the visible, infrared, 
>> and water vapor channels from GOES-16. All I have to say is:
>>
>> Ho.
>> Ly.
>> Crap.
>>
>> First of all, as expected, GOES-16 is not for the faint-hearted. The files 
>> for water vapor imagery alone are ~72 MB every five minutes! That said.. .
>>
>> I am seeing features on the water vapor imagery I don't even know how to 
>> interpret. There are things showing up that are not showing up on the lower 
>> resolution GOES-13 and 15 imagery. With the visible imagery, high-altitude 
>> military aircraft contrails show up pretty much as well as they do on the 
>> ground looking up! For you photography buffs, this is like upgrading from 
>> the first digital SLR's to a Nikon D3400 or a Canon 5D MarkIII. The imager 
>> quality is much better. Yes, yes, the resolution is higher: but it's the 
>> imager! Just because your camera phone has 40 megapixels doesn't mean that 
>> the picture is any better than a 10 megapixel camera. If your lens stinks, 
>> it doesn't matter. In the case of GOES-16, the imager utterly rocks it!
>>
>> Patrick is already posting image samples, but needless to say, the golden 
>> age of satellite meteorology ratchets up a big notch with GOES-16.
>>
>> And kudos to the max to NOAA, NWS and everyone involved in the manufacturing 
>> of this incredible tool, getting it into orbit, and getting the data to us. 
>> Wow?just, wow.
>>
>> Color me darn impressed,
>>
>> Gilbert
>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Gilbert Sebenste 
>>> <gilbert@xxxxxxx<mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx><mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx<mailto:gilbert@xxxxxxx>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Daryl and Patrick! I guess the product IDs weren't built into the 
>>> LDM for GOES-16 yet, so NOTHER is the feedtype it is under.
>>>
>>> It almost looks like somebody restarted an LDM around 19Z as there was a 
>>> momentary data dropout. In any case, it's also obvious that they were 
>>> working on the data feed all afternoon, as the carrier to noise was a 
>>> little bit lower after the GOES-16 feed was added,  there were some data 
>>> drop outs around 21Z. But now it is stable, and I am seeing a carrier to 
>>> noise ratio of 17.2 to 1. That's right where it should be.
>>>
>>> It was a huge feat for NOAA/NWS to get that satellite up there. And in its 
>>> own right, it was a huge feat to get the GOES-16 feed going on NOAAport. 
>>> Outside of a minor glitch this afternoon, everything appears to be 
>>> hunky-dory. Kudos to the National Weather Service, and their contractors, 
>>> for a job well done.
>>>
>>> Gilbert
>>>
>>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 3:46 PM, daryl herzmann 
>>>> <akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:akrherz@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Howdy,
>>>>
>>>> Whatever it may be worth to the community, I have collected up ~10 minutes 
>>>> worth (1.1GB yowzers) of the NOTHER GOES-R feed in this zip file.
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmesonet.agron.iastate.edu%2Fpickup%2Fgoesr%2Fgoesr_sample_10min.zip&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=F3ugjHLWpIcXBWSOHGPEEY8I89zGAbC17zUb1M7ER%2FY%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> I chomped off the WMO header (36 bytes worth) within each product so that 
>>>> each file should be a valid netcdf4 file.
>>>>
>>>> daryl
>>>>
>>>> PS, my testing pqact entry:
>>>>
>>>> NOTHER    (TI....) (....) (......) (...)
>>>> PIPE    -close    python /home/ldm/chomp.py 
>>>> /home/ldm/goesr/\1_\2_\3_\4.nc<http://4.nc><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.nc&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Cb84cc4fc62734871114f08d462655a6a%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241634832864137&sdata=bsFUyHBp%2FKv3GSgr%2BisLdT351IA9sl7CIPDpYIuQm9g%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>> and my chomp.py script
>>>>
>>>> ===============================
>>>> import sys
>>>>
>>>> fn = sys.argv[1]
>>>> data = sys.stdin.read()
>>>> o = open(fn, 'wb')
>>>> o.write(data[36:])
>>>> o.close()
>>>> ==============================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Mike Zuranski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have, though I haven't tried to take any action on it yet.  First off,
>>>>> everything I see is coming in from NOTHER, not NIMAGE.  But the following
>>>>> pattern works for me:  -p "TI[RS].[01][0-9] KNES"
>>>>>
>>>>> That pattern should catch anything for GOES-16.  One interesting note, I
>>>>> see TIRC.. products, looks like a fresh set every 5 minutes so I'm 
>>>>> guessing
>>>>> that could be CONUS since they haven't committed to East or West yet.  But
>>>>> like I said, haven't investigated too deeply yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Mike Zuranski
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Patrick L. Francis 
>>>>> <wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i've been running some notifymes on the dish and haven't seen anything 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> goes-16 or goesr yet.. has anyone else noticed a pattern?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??????????????????????...........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick L. Francis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Director of Research & Development
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aeris Weather
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faerisweather.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=%2BZHHTJGS5dN%2BqmxgV%2Ft9H4ZhPb0zysVzuT3LOx42Lwo%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmodelweather.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=MojrZSV72sLh%2FzlCjryc7YtVrpxvatdDj%2Ft4sSqRbpA%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffacebook.com%2Fwxprofessor%2F&data=02%7C01%7CBrian.Hughes%40unisys.com%7Ceefcf7a1de8d41c8d96108d461d54e60%7C8d894c2b238f490b8dd1d93898c5bf83%7C0%7C0%7C636241016155264513&sdata=Kw7tROTavlouAn7pUQqgxdVo0UuujxCFaWrEb%2F%2FGiNA%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??????????????????????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> /**
>>>> * daryl herzmann
>>>> * Systems Analyst III -- Iowa Environmental Mesonet
>>>> * 
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Lewis Fry Richardson (1881-1953)
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