Well I done and messed something up with my LDM install
I was bouncing back and forth between root and LDM,
and must have one of the times I was root restarted LDM
because I get
hupsyslog: couldn't open /var/run/syslogd.pid
when starting/restarting LDM as ldm
but if I
'sudo ldmadmin start/restart/pqactHUP'
it does the expected
ok so how do I fix this ???
(tried reinstalling but it would go past configure)