Re: Difax discussion-[Broadcast-weather] Digest Number 48 )

Toward the end of these exchanges, a GEMPAK discussion evolves.

Linda

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Date: Monday, January 01, 2001 9:50 AM +0000
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Subject: [Broadcast-weather] Digest Number 48
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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Difax termination
           From: "Larry Cosgrove" <WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx>
      2. Re: Re: Difax termination
           From: "Jason Kelley" <jason.kelley@xxxxxxxx>
      3. Re: Re: Difax termination
           From: WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx
      4. RE: Re: Difax termination
           From: "Robert P Dale" <rdale@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      5. Re: Re: Difax termination
           From: "Jason Kelley" <jason.kelley@xxxxxxxx>
      6. Re: Difax termination
           From: "Larry Cosgrove" <WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx>
      7. RE: Re: Difax termination
           From: "Robert P Dale" <rdale@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: Re: Difax termination
           From: "Jason Kelley" <jason.kelley@xxxxxxxx>


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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:32:46 -0000
   From: "Larry Cosgrove" <WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Difax termination

Friends,

I am amazed at the relative quiet which has followed this
announcement. Will this information be available on any websites
after the NWS DIFAX shuts downs?

Larry Cosgrove
WWOR-TV New York NY


--- In Broadcast-weather@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim  Danner" <bizman5@xxxx> wrote:
THE FAMILY OF SERVICES DIFAX SERVICE WILL BE DISCONTINUED ON
APRIL 30, 2001.  HOWEVER, THE INTERNET VERSION OF DIFAX WILL CONTINUE
FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.  DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, DIFAX CHARTS
WILL BE REVIEWED TO SEE IF THEY CAN BE COMPLETELY DISCONTINUED. USERS
WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THIS EFFORT.

THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT DIFAX CHARTS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OTHER
SITES.  HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME I DO NOT HAVE ANY DETAILS.

NOTICES PERTAINING TO THE TERMINATION OF DIFAX WILL BE POSTED ON THE
NWS NOTICE  WEB PAGE. THE URL IS LISTED BELOW.

HTTP//WWW.NWS.NOAA.GOV/OSO/NOTICES/NOTICES.SHTML

IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT ME ON
301-713-0864 X 120.

JULIE HAYES
FOS PROGRAM MANAGER



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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:55:50 -0600
   From: "Jason Kelley" <jason.kelley@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Difax termination

Larry,

What information are you talking about?  There is nothing presently on the
Difax feed that I can't get off the internet (in a non-Difax) format.


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Jason Kelley
Chief Meteorologist
WJHG-TV, Panama City FL

<WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Friends,

I am amazed at the relative quiet which has followed this
announcement. Will this information be available on any websites
after the NWS DIFAX shuts downs?

Larry Cosgrove
WWOR-TV New York NY



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Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:48:58 EST
   From: WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: Difax termination

Jason,

The DIFAX website will shut down as well. So if you cannot get the
information provided by NWS elsewhere, neither will you be able to get it off
the web.

Cosgrove


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Message: 4
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:54:35 -0500
   From: "Robert P Dale" <rdale@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: Difax termination

It's not a big deal for those in the broadcast primarily since our providers
will continue to generate their own.

But to be quite honest -- I can't tell you the last time I used a DIFAX map.

Rob

Larry Cosgrove [mailto:WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx] wrote:
Friends,

I am amazed at the relative quiet which has followed this
announcement. Will this information be available on any websites
after the NWS DIFAX shuts downs?



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Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:00:42 -0600
   From: "Jason Kelley" <jason.kelley@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Difax termination

That was my point Larry...there isn't anything on the Difax feed that I can't
get somewhere else (I wasn't referring to the Difax webpage).

And as Rob Dale just stated, I haven't used a Difax map in 5 years or so....

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Jason Kelley
Chief Meteorologist
WJHG-TV, Panama City FL


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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:44:21 -0000
   From: "Larry Cosgrove" <WXAMERICA@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Difax termination

Jason and Rob,

Good for you that you have not had the need to use DIFAX maps. But my
entire point is this: are you assured of getting the information from
other websites forever, and free of charge? That is why I believe the
passing of tne NWS site should not be taken for granted. It's a FREE
service and should be applauded as such.

Consider that some of the plotted data on NWS DIFAX page is
available, with explanations, to the many budding meteorologists out
there. Who knows what happens during an economic crunch; maybe the
current private sector entities will pull their graphics from free
access.

Just a point to consider that we have to answer the needs of those
weather enthusiasts who do not have a WSI, WxCentral, or Kavouras
feed.

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Message: 7
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:02:04 -0500
   From: "Robert P Dale" <rdale@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: Difax termination

Good for you that you have not had the need to use DIFAX maps. But my
entire point is this: are you assured of getting the information from
other websites forever, and free of charge?

_From NWS? Certainly... The General has stated many times over he wants to
keep the data flowing freely. EMC has a great website, with all the new
parallel runs for Eta / AVN / MRF. And you can get more than your fair share
of raw data from NCEP's server, and now they give radar away. It seems quite
clear that the policy of free access is being followed.

passing of tne NWS site should not be taken for granted. It's a FREE
service and should be applauded as such.

It was killed because NWS has no need for DIFAX any more. It's intent was to
get data to the field offices that had no other data access than AFOS
graphics. With AWIPS, that need is filled with a service other than DIFAX.

Consider that some of the plotted data on NWS DIFAX page is
available, with explanations, to the many budding meteorologists out
there. Who knows what happens during an economic crunch; maybe the
current private sector entities will pull their graphics from free
access.

...but most websites with weather data are Universities. I can't seem them
cutting off public access with a changing economy.

I've been using Gempak/GARP for years and couldn't survive without it
nowadays -- fortunately I understand Unidata is working on getting the
package released at no charge ($2K when we picked it up.) Apparently
licensing issues for some of the graphic routines in GARP are holding it up
at this point... When it comes available -- I'd suggest everyone pick it up
and forget about websites. We get gloabl surface & upper-air, 20km Eta
grids, AVN, NGM, RUC, MRFx, Ensembles, Canadian short and long-range, ECMWF,
NOGAPS, UKMET, create NIDS loops (effective next week) and surface maps for
our website, and run our own 8km Eta.

Just a point to consider that we have to answer the needs of those
weather enthusiasts who do not have a WSI, WxCentral, or Kavouras
feed.

Understood -- but at this point there should be no problem. If DIFAX stayed,
with NWS having no reason to provide a _FREE_ service that sends "value
added" data to the public, you can only IMAGINE what Joel would have brought
to the next Congress :<

I imagine that's why their radarsite only provides 4 image types too...

Rob



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Message: 8
   Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:13:34 -0600
   From: "Jason Kelley" <jason.kelley@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Difax termination

I would further reply, but Rob made all my points...<smile>

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Jason Kelley
Chief Meteorologist
WJHG-TV, Panama City FL

Jason and Rob,

Good for you that you have not had the need to use DIFAX maps. But my
entire point is this: are you assured of getting the information from
other websites forever, and free of charge? That is why I believe the
passing of tne NWS site should not be taken for granted. It's a FREE
service and should be applauded as such.

Consider that some of the plotted data on NWS DIFAX page is
available, with explanations, to the many budding meteorologists out
there. Who knows what happens during an economic crunch; maybe the
current private sector entities will pull their graphics from free
access.

Just a point to consider that we have to answer the needs of those
weather enthusiasts who do not have a WSI, WxCentral, or Kavouras
feed.

Larry Cosgrove

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