Re: [conduit] Partial GFS files

  • To: Michael Leuthold <leuthold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [conduit] Partial GFS files
  • From: Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 17:06:13 +0000
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Mike (and all),

This has been an ongoing issue for several months now. The root problem is that 
the queue sizes on the ingest machines at NCEP are not nearly large enough to 
handle the amount of data flowing through them. When the lags get large, 
products age off of their queues before the downstream sites have a chance to 
get them.

We are a top level CONDUIT relay, so we are pulling data direct from NCEP and 
we have been plagued with these missing products for several months now. 
Unidata's servers are also generally missing the same products that we are .

The Unidata folks are also aware of the issue, but since NCEP runs the servers, 
there's not much the Unidata folks can do other than let NCEP know that they 
need larger queues. It sounds like NCEP is planning to address this, but not 
until at least sometime in 2022.

The short term solution (and Tom from Unidata can correct me if I'm way off 
base) is probably either


  1.  get rid of the 0.25 degree data from the CONDUIT stream until they can 
increase the queue sizes on the source machines

or

  1.  Set up a data feed separate from CONDUIT where one site (Unidata?) 
downloads the data from the NCEP's server and injects it into a data feed 
separate from CONDUIT - sort of a parallel feed of the data that is flowing 
through CONDUIT.

This has been frustrating for a while now.. The GFS data coming through CONDUIT 
is so unreliable that it is pretty useless as it is.

Pete


<http://www.weather.com/tv/shows/wx-geeks/video/the-incredible-shrinking-cold-pool>-----
Pete Pokrandt - Systems Programmer
UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
608-262-3086  - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx

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From: conduit <conduit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Michael Leuthold 
<leuthold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 9:28 AM
To: conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [conduit] Partial GFS files

Hello,

     Has anyone else had recent issues with missing GFS files? Over the
past few weeks, I've had many that are short.  The problem  usually
starts around forecast hour 100 and resolves around hour 200.  Both .25
and .5 degree have this issue.  It's worse at 0 and 12Z.

thanks.

Mike

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--
Mike Leuthold
Manager, Regional Weather Modeling Program
University of Arizona, Hydrology and Atmospheric Sciences
520-282-1478

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