Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.

Carissa

Ask one of your network geeks if they have a perfSonar system I can test
against. I've a couple of systems I can test with, or arrange someone else
to hit.

I suspect we need to start with OWAMP. I've got a site at MAX, but if
there's something accessible inside... Internet2 and es.net are now
interested in helping.

gerry

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Bob Lipschutz - NOAA Affiliate <
robert.c.lipschutz@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> As another point on the curve, we have also been seeing high latency with
> the NCEP MRMS LDM feed, mrms-ldmout.ncep.noaa.gov this afternoon.
> Products were running about 30 minutes behind. Around 2330Z the feed
> started catching up, and it seems to be current at the moment.
>
>     -Bob
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Arthur A Person <aap1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Correction to what I said below...  the points we tested to actually we
>> *re* within NOAA, but we weren't sure how close they were to the CONDUIT
>> source.  We got throughputs of approximately 2.5-3.5 Gbps.
>>
>>                    Art
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Arthur A Person" <aap1@xxxxxxx>
>> *To: *"Mike Dross" <mwdross@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc: *"Bentley, Alicia M" <ambentley@xxxxxxxxxx>, "
>> support-conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> "_NCEP.List.pmb-dataflow" <ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>, "_NOAA
>> Boulder NOC" <nb-noc@xxxxxxxx>, "Daes Support" <daessupport@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:58:58 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison
>> idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Our network folks have done this with tests to the MAX gigaPOP and have
>> gotten good results.  We'd like to test all the way to NCEP, but as far as
>> I know, there isn't a publicly available test point within NCEP to do this.
>>
>>                    Art
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Mike Dross" <mwdross@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *To: *"Bob Lipschutz - NOAA Affiliate" <robert.c.lipschutz@xxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc: *"Arthur A Person" <aap1@xxxxxxx>, "Bentley, Alicia M" <
>> ambentley@xxxxxxxxxx>, "support-conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <
>> conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "_NCEP.List.pmb-dataflow" <
>> ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>, "_NOAA Boulder NOC" <nb-noc@xxxxxxxx>,
>> "Daes Support" <daessupport@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:53:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison
>> idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.
>>
>> I highly suggest you guys setup an iperf test to measure the actual
>> bandwidth and latency between your sites. This can help eliminate LDM as
>> the problem.
>>
>> https://iperf.fr/
>>
>> Very easy to setup.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Bob Lipschutz - NOAA Affiliate <
>> robert.c.lipschutz@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> ftp transfers rates to NOAA/ESRL/GSD have also fallen way off... as bad
>>> as I've ever seen. E.g.,
>>> curl
>>> ftp://ftpprd.ncep.noaa.gov/pub/data/nccf/com/gfs/prod/gfs.2016022312/gfs.t12z.pgrb2.0p25.f012
>>> -o /dev/null
>>>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
>>>  Current
>>>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
>>>  Speed
>>>  12  214M   12 25.7M    0     0   279k      0  0:13:04  0:01:34  0:11:30
>>>  224k
>>>
>>>     -Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Arthur A Person <aap1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Looks like our feed from conduit.ncep.noaa.gov is seeing delays again
>>>> beginning last evening with the 00Z reception of the gfs 0p25 degree data:
>>>>
>>>>                            Art
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal" <carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> *To: *admin@xxxxxxxx
>>>> *Cc: *"Bentley, Alicia M" <ambentley@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Michael Schmidt" <
>>>> mschmidt@xxxxxxxx>, conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>>>> "_NCEP.List.pmb-dataflow" <ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>, "Daes
>>>> Support" <daessupport@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, February 22, 2016 1:57:21 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison
>>>> idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.
>>>>
>>>> Keep providing the feedback. All of it is being given to the NOAA NOC
>>>> admins. This seems to be a pretty wide spread issue with numerous circuits
>>>> being impacted. As soon as I have more information about resolution I will
>>>> pass it on.
>>>>
>>>> Carissa Klemmer
>>>> NCEP Central Operations
>>>> Dataflow Team Lead
>>>> 301-683-3835
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:32 PM, <admin@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Those traceroutes clearly show the issue is on the last 2 hops or
>>>>> inside NOAA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 2:39pm, "Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate" <
>>>>> gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx> said:
>>>>>
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > conduit mailing list
>>>>> > conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> > For list information or to unsubscribe, visit:
>>>>> > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/mailing_lists/ If I were the conspiracy
>>>>> theory type, I
>>>>> > might think to blame the
>>>>> > balkanization of all paths to the internet from NOAA sites via the
>>>>> Trusted
>>>>> > Internet Connection stuff. But I'm just hypothesizing. Or, they
>>>>> could be
>>>>> > running distro on overloaded VMs.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > gerry
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Patrick L. Francis <
>>>>> wxprofessor@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Art / Pete etc. al. J
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> There seems to be a consistency is potential packet loss from no
>>>>> matter
>>>>> >> which route is taken into ncepâ so whoever you are communicating
>>>>> with,
>>>>> >> you
>>>>> >> might have them investigate 140.90.111.36â reference the previous
>>>>> graphic
>>>>> >> shown and this new one here:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://drmalachi.org/files/ncep/ec2-ncep.png
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> if you are unfamiliar with amazon ec2 routing, the first.. twenty
>>>>> >> something or so hops are just internal to amazon, and they donât
>>>>> jump
>>>>> >> outside until you hit the internet2 hops, which then jump to
>>>>> gigapop, and
>>>>> >> from there to noaa internal.. so since this amazon box is in
>>>>> ashburn,
>>>>> >> physically itâs close, and has limited interruptions until that
>>>>> point..
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> the same hop causes more severe problems from my colo boxes, which
>>>>> are
>>>>> >> hurricane electric direct, which means that in those cases jumping
>>>>> from
>>>>> >> hurricane electric to 140.90.111.36 has âsevereâ problems (including
>>>>> >> packet
>>>>> >> loss) while jumping from amazon to I2 to gigapop to 140.90.111.36
>>>>> also
>>>>> >> encounters issues, but not as severe..
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> hopefully this may help J  Happy Friday J
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> cheers,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --patrick
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Patrick L. Francis
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Vice President of Research & Development
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Aeris Weather
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://aerisweather.com/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://modelweather.com/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://facebook.com/wxprofessor/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *From:* conduit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>> >> conduit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Arthur A Person
>>>>> >> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 1:57 PM
>>>>> >> *To:* Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> *Cc:* Bentley, Alicia M <ambentley@xxxxxxxxxx>; Michael Schmidt <
>>>>> >> mschmidt@xxxxxxxx>; support-conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <
>>>>> >> conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; _NCEP.List.pmb-dataflow <
>>>>> >> ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>; Daes Support <
>>>>> daessupport@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison
>>>>> >> idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Pete,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We've been struggling with latencies for months to the point where
>>>>> I've
>>>>> >> been feeding gfs 0p25 from NCEP and the rest from Unidata... that
>>>>> is, up
>>>>> >> untl Feb 10th.  The afternoon of the 10th, our latencies to NCEP
>>>>> dropped to
>>>>> >> what I consider "normal", an average maximum latency of about 30
>>>>> seconds.
>>>>> >> Our networking folks and NCEP have been trying to identify what this
>>>>> >> problem was, but as far as I know, no problem has been identified
>>>>> or action
>>>>> >> taken.  So, it appears it's all buried in the mysteries of the
>>>>> internet.
>>>>> >> I've switched data collection back to NCEP at this point, but I'm
>>>>> on the
>>>>> >> edge of my seat waiting to see if it reverts back to the old
>>>>> behavior...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>                   Art
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ------------------------------
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *From: *"Pete Pokrandt" <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> *To: *"Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal" <carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx
>>>>> >,
>>>>> >> "Arthur A Person" <aap1@xxxxxxx>, "_NCEP.List.pmb-dataflow" <
>>>>> >> ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> *Cc: *"support-conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <conduit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >,
>>>>> >> "Michael Schmidt" <mschmidt@xxxxxxxx>, "Bentley, Alicia M" <
>>>>> >> ambentley@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Daes Support" <daessupport@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> *Sent: *Friday, February 19, 2016 12:20:20 PM
>>>>> >> *Subject: *Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison idd.aos.wisc.edu
>>>>> >> starting the last day or two.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> All,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Not sure if this is on my end or somewhere upstream, but the last
>>>>> several
>>>>> >> runs my CONDUIT latencies have been getting huge to the point where
>>>>> we are
>>>>> >> losing data.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I did stop my ldm the other day to add in an alternate feed for
>>>>> Gilbert at
>>>>> >> allisonhous.com, not sure if that pushed me over a bandwidth
>>>>> limit, or by
>>>>> >> reconnecting we got hooked up to a different remote ldm, or taking a
>>>>> >> different path, that shot the latencies up.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Seems to be really only CONDUIT, none of our other feeds show this
>>>>> kind of
>>>>> >> latency.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Still looking into things locally, but wanted make people aware. I
>>>>> just
>>>>> >> rebooted idd.aos.wisc.edu, will see if that helps at all.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Here's an ldmping and traceroute from idd.aos.wisc.edu to
>>>>> >> conduit.ncep.noaa.gov.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [ldm@idd ~]$ ldmping conduit.ncep.noaa.gov
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Feb 19 17:16:08 INFO:      State    Elapsed Port   Remote_Host
>>>>> >> rpc_stat
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Feb 19 17:16:08 INFO: Resolving conduit.ncep.noaa.gov to
>>>>> 140.90.101.42
>>>>> >> took 0.00486 seconds
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Feb 19 17:16:08 INFO: RESPONDING   0.115499  388
>>>>> conduit.ncep.noaa.gov
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> traceroute to conduit.ncep.noaa.gov (140.90.101.42), 30 hops max,
>>>>> 60 byte
>>>>> >> packets
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  1  r-cssc-b280c-1-core-vlan-510-primary.net.wisc.edu
>>>>> (144.92.130.3)
>>>>> >>  0.760 ms  0.954 ms  0.991 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  2  internet2-ord-600w-100G.net.wisc.edu (144.92.254.229)  18.119
>>>>> ms
>>>>> >>  18.123 ms  18.107 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  3  et-10-0-0.107.rtr.clev.net.internet2.edu (198.71.45.9)  27.836
>>>>> ms
>>>>> >>  27.852 ms  27.838 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  4  et-11-3-0-1276.clpk-core.maxgigapop.net (206.196.177.4)
>>>>> 37.363 ms
>>>>> >>  37.363 ms  37.345 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  5  noaa-i2.demarc.maxgigapop.net (206.196.177.118)  38.051 ms
>>>>> 38.254 ms
>>>>> >>  38.401 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  6  140.90.111.36 (140.90.111.36)  118.042 ms  118.412 ms  118.529
>>>>> ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  7  140.90.76.69 (140.90.76.69)  41.764 ms  40.343 ms  40.500 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  8  * * *
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  9  * * *
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 10  * * *
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Similarly to ncepldm
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [ldm@idd ~]$ ldmping ncepldm4.woc.noaa.gov
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Feb 19 17:18:40 INFO:      State    Elapsed Port   Remote_Host
>>>>> >> rpc_stat
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Feb 19 17:18:40 INFO: Resolving ncepldm4.woc.noaa.gov to
>>>>> 140.172.17.205
>>>>> >> took 0.001599 seconds
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Feb 19 17:18:40 INFO: RESPONDING   0.088901  388
>>>>> ncepldm4.woc.noaa.gov
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ^C
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [ldm@idd ~]$ traceroute ncepldm4.woc.noaa.gov
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> traceroute to ncepldm4.woc.noaa.gov (140.172.17.205), 30 hops max,
>>>>> 60
>>>>> >> byte packets
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  1  r-cssc-b280c-1-core-vlan-510-primary.net.wisc.edu
>>>>> (144.92.130.3)
>>>>> >>  0.730 ms  0.831 ms  0.876 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  2  internet2-ord-600w-100G.net.wisc.edu (144.92.254.229)  18.092
>>>>> ms
>>>>> >>  18.092 ms  18.080 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  3  ae0.3454.core-l3.frgp.net (192.43.217.223)  40.196 ms  40.226
>>>>> ms
>>>>> >>  40.256 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  4  noaa-i2.frgp.net (128.117.243.11)  40.970 ms  41.012 ms
>>>>> 40.996 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  5  2001-mlx8-eth-1-2.boulder.noaa.gov (140.172.2.18)  42.780 ms
>>>>> 42.778
>>>>> >> ms  42.764 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  6  mdf-rtr-6.boulder.noaa.gov (140.172.6.251)  40.869 ms  40.922
>>>>> ms
>>>>> >>  40.946 ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  7  * * *
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>  8  * * *
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Pete
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Pete Pokrandt - Systems Programmer
>>>>> >> UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
>>>>> >> 608-262-3086  - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Arthur A. Person
>>>>> >> Research Assistant, System Administrator
>>>>> >> Penn State Department of Meteorology
>>>>> >> email:  aap1@xxxxxxx, phone:  814-863-1563
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Gerry Creager
>>>>> > NSSL/CIMMS
>>>>> > 405.325.6371
>>>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> > âBig whorls have little whorls,
>>>>> > That feed on their velocity;
>>>>> > And little whorls have lesser whorls,
>>>>> > And so on to viscosity.â
>>>>> > Lewis Fry Richardson (1881-1953)
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> --
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>>>> Research Assistant, System Administrator
>>>> Penn State Department of Meteorology
>>>> email:  aap1@xxxxxxx, phone:  814-863-1563
>>>>
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>> --
>> Arthur A. Person
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>> Penn State Department of Meteorology
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>> Penn State Department of Meteorology
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-- 
Gerry Creager
NSSL/CIMMS
405.325.6371
++++++++++++++++++++++
âBig whorls have little whorls,
That feed on their velocity;
And little whorls have lesser whorls,
And so on to viscosity.â
Lewis Fry Richardson (1881-1953)

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