Policy Committee Meeting Summary:
May 29-30, 1997
Boulder, Colorado
Participants
Members
|
Representatives
|
UPC Staff |
Otis Brown (Chair) |
Richard Anthes (UCAR) |
Sally Bates |
Ken Crawford |
David Fulker (UPC) |
Steve Chiswell |
Robert Fox |
Robert Gall (NCAR/MMM) |
Ben Domenico |
Colleen Leary |
Jewel Prendeville (NSF/ATM) |
Jo Hansen |
|
John Merrill |
Mohan Ramamurthy (U. Ill./Users) |
Linda Miller |
Jim Moore |
Other
|
Sandra Nilsson |
Julie Winkler |
Richard Chinman (UCAR/IITA) |
Administrative Matters
- The minutes of the January 1997 meeting were approved.
- Jim Moore will be the Policy Committee Representative to the Users
Committee.
- John Merrill became the Policy Committee Chair at the end of this meeting.
- Five notebooks containing the Policy Committee Resolution Log and the
Unidata sites chart will be provided at the meetings; these materials will
no longer be included in the notebooks mailed to committee members prior
to meetings.
- The next meetings of the Policy Committee will be:
30 September - 1 October, at NSF headquarters in Arlington, VA
5-6 February 1998, in Boulder, Colorado (as agreed via e-mail)
21-22 May 1998, in Boulder, Colorado
UOP Reorganization
UCAR President Rick Anthes briefed the committee on changes to UCAR's
management, including the resignation of UOP director Bill Pennell and
the hiring of Jack Fellows to fill Pennell's position. Kathryn Schmoll
will be assuming the position of UCAR Vice President for Finance and Administration,
replacing Bill Rawson, who retires in September. Both will assume their
positions at the end of the summer.
Status Reports
Director's Report
Copies of Fulker's Director's Report were distributed at the meeting;
Nilsson's budget report is in the notebook.
Discussion
- UPC's current status and concerns appear to indicate a shift from operations
to investment; this is a positive shift.
- The NWS has other branches besides NCEP with software of interest to
the Unidata community, viz., the Office of Hydrology.
- There was considerable discussion about Unidata's future; the goals
as outlined in the proposal to NSF are essentially those envisioned in
the program's beginning (clothed in more modern terms and technologies);
there was consensus that achieving these goals is important. At the same
time, there was concern that the path to achieving the goals is not yet
clear.
- The UPC needs to clearly set its priorities and goals and organize
its staff accordingly. (See the Operating Systems discussion below.)
Action 1:
The UPC will look into the software programs used in other branches
of the NWS, particularly the Office of Hydrology.
Users Committee Report
The Users Committee plans for the summer workshop, including the draft
program, are documented in the notebook. Ramamurthy reported that 54 participants
had signed up. In other arenas, Ramamurthy noted that:
- Increasing the resolution of the satellite images included in the IDD
had caused a few users some problems, primarily due to platform-configuration
problems. These were rectified by UPC support staff.
- The Policy Committee's resolution concerning OS/2 caused quite a stir.
- The Users Committee was pleased with UOP's PAGE proposal to NSF as
a response to their concerns about the use of technology in the classroom.
- Users are puzzled by the contractual constraint to wait 48 hours before
putting radar data on the web, since vendors themselves are putting data
on their web sites, sometimes within the hour.
Discussion
- Nilsson contacted WSI re NIDS constraints; WSI is not interested in
amending the terms of the contract at this time.
NOAA Report
Bob Fox spoke with Doug Sargeant; a summary of his conversation was
distributed at the meeting. Fulker had also met with Sargeant prior to
the Policy Committee meeting and reported that they discussed university/NWS
interactions, among other topics. Sargeant believes that the NWS is willing
to share software with universities but the mechanisms for doing so are
complicated.
Discussion
- There was discussion on whether lessons learned in the university could
be transmitted back to NWS; the SOOs (plus having sites co-located with
universities) provide one mechanism, but the recent budget cuts may jeopardize
this since many SOOs may be moved into operational work.
- There was concern about the progress of AWIPS deployment.
NSF Report
Jewel Prendeville reported on NSF for Bernard Grant, who was unable
to attend due to his active status as a new parent. Copies of Prendeville's
report were distributed at the meeting. Not on her slides were the following
pieces of information:
- The education effort within NSF/Geo is being led by a team composed
of one representative from each division.
- NSF/Geo already has many educational initiatives, but the new thrust
is to reach out to elementary schools, not a usual audience for NSF/Geo.
- For Unidata, the educational effort to watch is KDI: Knowledge and
Distributed Intelligence, which is still being defined.
In addition to her report on the education efforts at NSF/Geo, she noted
that:
- The Unidata Proposal will be reviewed by a panel that will be convened
in Boulder in September; panelists will be expected to provide written
reviews.
- The proposal for a new UCAR education initiative (named PAGE) is at
NSF now; there will be eight reviewers; NSF expects a fairly rapid turn-around
on the review process.
- Bob Corell (NSF/Geo) believes that congressional cuts to research have
bottomed out..
Operating Systems: Issues and Plans
Fulker outlined recent events on the issue of which operating systems
the program should support. He noted that, in addition to the goals set
in the proposal to NSF and the resolutions listed on the agenda for this
meeting, the UPC was under pressure to support LINUX. Unfortunately, LINUX,
while running on PCs, is still a UNIX system and therefore difficult to
administer; further, there are many variants of LINUX, so it potentially
would add to the support. burden. Therefore, the UPC recommends not
supporting LINUX.
The question to the committee was: How will Unidata achieve platform
independence? Fulker presented his view of Unidata's goals and a strategy
for handling the transition (copies of his presentations were distributed
at the meeting). His presentation was entitled "Toward Java and Platform
Independence."
Discussion
- There was complete consensus on Unidata's goal of achieving platform
independence as soon as possible, and the Users Committee concurs with
the program's goals as stated in the proposal.
- Resolution 9701 caused turmoil within the community. Members of the
Users Committee felt blind-sided by the resolution. Worse, they were left
with the impression that the issue was one of Unidata support for large
schools as opposed to small schools.
- The community needs to be educated on why Unidata set platform-independence
as a goal; this entails clearly articulating the pros and cons of Java
(through a cost-benefit analysis) and addressing the platform-administration
issues.
- Handling the transition is the problem. It requires setting clear priorities,
articulating an interim strategy for OS/2 sites; and deploying resources
appropriately. The consensus needs to be community-wide, not just within
the committees.
- The pace of technological change in contrast with the slowness of university
funding cycles makes it imperative to involve the universities as quickly
as possible.
- Unidata's user-level software is developed by partners; one support
person works with each developer, since the UPC paradigm is to assign one
support staff to one package. Any move to increase the number of supported
packages quickly hits this barrier since there are no resources to add
support staff. This paradigm may no longer be useful in the new environment
of many more smaller software pieces. The UPC may need to redefine how
it uses its support staff and expand how it uses "community support."
- It is not clear who is to do what to achieve Geosif. Clearly, partnerships
will be needed, but the close relationship between Unidata and one software
developer may no longer be possible. The effort may need to entrain many
developers, all of whom need to feel they have equal access to designing
the interface.
- The current clear distinction between Unidata-supported software and
other software may become fuzzy. There is a potential for user-developed
packages to out-pace Unidata-developed packages.
- In planning for the new environment, flexibility is paramount.
- If Geosif is to be achieved by 2003, a prototype should be ready in
two years.
- The SSEC will need to support OS/2 for the foreseeable future for its
own customers.
- The UPC is experimenting with a client-server implementation of McIDAS
to handle the transition period. There were concerns about performance
on PCs: the UPC needs to know precisely what systems users have and how
they are used if this model is to be useful. The UPC envisions supporting
parallel systems (client/server McIDAS and the evolving Geosif capabilities)
for most of the next proposal period.
Resolution 1:
In view of
- Policy Committee Resolutions 97.1 and 97.2,
- the Users Committee Resolution to the UPC from its March 1997 meeting,
and
- the UPC conclusion that developing an effective plan responding to
the Policy Committee resolution 97.1 is not feasible,
the Policy Committee endorses the principles expressed in Dave Fulker's
presentation, "Toward Java and Platform Independence," namely:
- The Unidata Program's long-term goal is platform independence
- Target architecture is the Java virtual machine
- The language of choice for new implementation is Java
- The Unidata Program Center's roles are three:
- Providing data management software
- Entraining outside developers of user-level applications
- Providing software development infrastructure.
Resolution 2:
The Policy Committee requests the UPC develop a transition plan
from OS/2 and UNIX to a system involving a Java-based client-server implementation.
The transition should include the following steps:
- Development of a Java-based "image viewer" client that would
serve as the GUI;
- Adaptation of OS/2 and UNIX applications to function as servers to
the image-viewer client.
Functions should be added to the client-side Java application as quickly
as practical, eventually allowing it to replace platform-dependent systems.
The transition plan will be developed by the UPC and discussed by the Users
Committee, ATAC, and the Policy Committee; it will include a time line
and a resource allocation table. The plan should include support for OS/2
and UNIX users until the capability of the Java application addresses most
user needs.
SuomiNet
Developing a network of universities receiving GPS data will be the
subject of a proposal to NSF next year for funding under the Major Research
Instrumentation (MRI) program. With the permission of the Suomi family,
the network, if it materializes, will be called SuomiNet.
Steve Chiswell presented the capabilities of GPS data and demonstrated
how these data could enhance current models and be used in other disciplines
such as engineering.
Discussion
- UNAVCO GPS receiver packages can record temperature, relative humidity,
and surface pressure in addition to parameters related to time and position;
UNAVCO is hope to develop a slant-path algorithm to derive the gradients
of precipitable water.
- The cost of a GPS receiver is currently about $15,000 plus the mounting
costs (which can be extremely expensive if monumenting is required). UNAVCO
is exploring avenues to reduce the cost to about $3,000. The system is
quite robust.
- The terms of MRI funding require matching (30%) funds.
- Unidata's role in SuomiNet would be to help sites employ the LDM/IDD
for both gathering and distributing the data; data processing would be
done at UNAVCO. (Data will be delivered to FSL as well as UNAVCO.) SuomiNet
would demonstrated the IDD principle that any point on the net can be a
data source.
- There was discussion on whether or not to try controlling coverage
by encouraging sites in some areas. However, multiple, geographically close
sites can provide data on mesoscale boundaries or on microprocesses, so
dispersed receivers are not necessarily the ideal.
- The GPS data have a high teaching value; a good method for meeting
university needs for mesoscale-resolution data sets.
- Other (non-university) GPS sites are being planned; there are likely
to be GPS networks implemented by departments of transportation and airports,
for example. Can envision data flowing from all these in the more distant
future.
Strategies for Distributing NEXRAD Data
Fulker reminded the Committee of his letter of April 1996 to the National
Weather Service (in the notebook) commenting on the future of NIDS. University
participation in NIDS is limited due to costs and to vendor policies. Sargeant
had indicated that the NWS may be considering changing its arrangements
with NIDS vendors since the service itself has some concerns about the
current arrangement. Arriving a new arrangements, however, is difficult
since there are several levels of bureaucracy that need to be involved.
Fulker outline possible Unidata courses of action:
- Entraining the private sector direction, meeting vendors concerns through
WITI (UCAR's commercial arm) on the assumption that WITI could apply Unidata
software enabling vendors to create products with value-added components.
- Working in parallel to the private sector.
- Limiting Unidata's role to the academic sector where universities connect
to NEXRAD via the Next Generation Internet and IDD; perhaps apply for USWRP
or KDI funds to facilitate this.
Discussion
- There are a total of only 2800 subscribers to NIDS (including special
subscribers, government agencies, universities, private business, etc.)
Unidata and the NWS together provide $70,000 as a subsidy for university
access, which costs $200,000. This subsidy, however, does not bring the
costs down enough for most universities. Universities reaction to the cost
of NIDS is analogous to their response to the NPS data stream.
- If Unidata establishes a floater site for the community, the community
will want the raw data, not just the data products.
- IITA will be establishing a NIDS data server and archive for UCAR,
which could be accessed by Unidata universities; IITA is also talking to
vendors about establishing floater sites to supply field programs with
NIDS data in real-time.
- Fulker would like to see a system that allows any user to select any
radar; he assumes most users most of the time would select most-closely
sited radar; users would pay proportionally by volume of data received.
When the system matures, its network configure would allow a site to subscribe
to as much data on a daily basis as desired.
- The academia-only option listed by Fulker would be expensive. Universities
need not only data but the infrastructure (software, knowledge) to use
it. This situation is reminiscent of the early days of satellite images:
most users used only the products from satellites; now more universities
use images as data inputs.
- Universities need to begin working with these data now so that the
next generation of meteorologists understand how to use the data. The few
universities that are pursuing access are finding that negotiations with
the NWS and the vendors is a long and arduous process.
- Oklahoma has fiber-optic lines to all the radars in the state and will
be supplying Level II data to the OU, which will be incorporated in models.
UniSys is allowing OU to redistribute the data in real-time to government
agencies (at $25/month each) and K-12 schools (at $2/month each). The universitiy
expects to eventually have 250 subscribers.
Action 2:
The Unidata users Committee needs to articulate the needs of the Unidata
community for NEXRAD data streams, both currently and in the foreseeable
future.
Strategies for Distributing NOAAport
The cost of FOS will increase with time as fewer and fewer people access
it. What should be Unidata's plan for the transition? Fulker identified
the following alternatives:
- Maintain the status quo, with Unidata subscribing through Alden.
- Explore the possibility of finding another vendor (but the origination
fees are significant).
- Become a direct subscriber to FOS (but Unidata could not function in
full "operational" mode with 24-hour personnel).
- Accelerate access to NOAAport.
- Build a separate system.
Discussion
- The current system with Alden has redundancies.
- AWIPS software is available through the Forecast Systems Lab.
- All FOS data are on NOAAport although some international data may be
restricted.
- The problems at Alden are unlikely to blow up quickly. UPC staff have
remote access to Alden machines and can help troubleshoot when/if Alden's
staff fail.
- There appeared to be consensus that the UPC should maintain the status
quo.
UOP PAGE Proposal
Sally Bates informed the committee of UCAR's response to the September
1996 Users Committee resolution on obtaining help from Unidata in using
technology in the classroom. As a result of that resolution and a similar
one from the October meeting of the AMS Heads and Chairs, Unidata and COMET
began collaborating on a response. COMET has reorganized its Educational
Resource Center into the Program for the Advancement of Geoscience Education
(PAGE) program, now a new UOP program under the interim directorship of
Mary Marlino. Marlino, with Unidata's Ben Domenico as co-principal investigator,
has submitted a proposal to NSF to fund an assessment of what the university
community needs and to develop a consensus on what the next steps should
be. The proposal differs little from the concepts presented to the committee
in January. As part of the process of developing the proposal, there is
now a PAGE steering committee (a list of the committee's members was distributed).
NSF has sent the proposal out for review and expects the decision on funding
to be forthcoming.
Discussion
- There was little discussion, although there appeared to be consensus
on the appropriateness of UOP's decision to form PAGE.
NASA Cooperative Agreement Notices (CANs 1 & 2)
Copies of the agreement notices are in the notebook. Bob Fox was at
the preproposal conference and made the following observations:
- The announcements are a result of a long process of review that found
problems with the contracts and design of the DAACs (Distributed Active
Archive Centers). The CANs are in response and seek Earth Science Information
Partners (ESIPs) to build a new system There are three levels of ESIPs:
ESIPs 1 are the original DAAC contractors; ESIPs 2 are the research/university
community, and ESIPs 3 are people in the private sector.
- CAN 1 is directed at the ESIPs 2; it envisions having about $12 M available
for grants; recipients will be expected to form a self-governing federation.
Proposals will be evaluated on the science, the contribution to data processing
technology, and the contribution to the federation.
- The grants are for three years; there is not guarantee of subsequent
refunding; there is not guarantee that the technologies resulting will
remain proprietary to the grant recipients.
- The "Unidata Model" was explicitly called out at the conference;
there didn't appear to be any understanding of what the model represents.
- Deadlines: June 11, letter of intent due; July 14, proposal due.
Fulker and Fox identified three possible options:
- Ignore the CANS'
- Submit a proposal that enabled access to Mission To Planet Earth data;
or
- Be receptive to being a subcontractor on someone else's proposal.
Discussion
- Proposals need to have a central scientific theme and Unidata isn't
a science-research group.
- The DAACs will not be operational by launch time; NASA will need something
like the IDD as a result.
- Unidata has already been approached by the DODS (Distributed Ocean
Data System) group at Rhode Island.
- There appeared to be consensus that Unidata should be receptive to
being a subcontractor on the DODS proposal.
The meeting adjourned 45 minutes ahead of schedule; the Unidata meeting
bell was passed by outgoing chair Otis Brown to incoming chair John Merrill.
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