Policy Committee Meeting Summary:
23-24 January 1997
Miami, FL
Participants
Members | Representatives | UPC Staff |
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Otis Brown (Chair) | Harry Edmon (U. Wash./ATAC) | Sally Bates |
Ken Crawford | David Fulker (UPC) | Ben Domenico |
Robert Fox | Bernard Grant (NSF/ATM) | Jo Hansen |
Colleen Leary | Arthur (Fritz) Hasler (NASA) | Sandra Nilsson |
John Merrill | Clifford Jacobs (NSF/ATM) |
Jim Moore | Bill Pennell (UCAR/UOP) |
Julie Winkler | Mohan Ramamurthy (U. Ill./Users) |
| Tim Spangler (COMET) |
Administrative Matters
- The summary of the October 1996 meeting were approved.
- The next meetings of the Policy Committee will be:
29-30 May 1997, in Boulder, Colorado
25-26 September, in Arlington, VA
- A new chairman for the Policy Committee needs to be appointed.
Brown is now a UCAR Trustee and will be the Trustee Liaison to
the Policy Committee; the May 1997 meeting will be his last as chair.
- Harry Edmon is ATAC representative to both the Users Committee and the
Policy Committee; one of these roles should be assigned to someone
else.
- Interesting information: Edmon is sending NIDS Level II data over the
IDD; it's on the order of 10 MB/6 minutes, which compresses down to
between 2.5 and 0.5 MB/6 min, depending on the weather. The current
LDM is capable of handling this.
Action 1:
Nominations for a new Policy Committee chairman should be sent to Brown or
Fulker as soon as possible.
Action 2:
The ATAC needs to find a representative to the Users Committee. Harry
Edmon will continue as the ATAC representative to the Policy Committee.
Status Reports
Director's Report
Copies of Fulker's Director's Report and Nilsson's budget report are
in the notebook. As part of the Director's Status Report, Domenico gave
an update on the status of IDD. He noted that:
- the system is holding steady;
- data delivery is at acceptable levels;
- the network problems that do appear are associated with upgrades to
the infrastructure;
- a new alternative source for data is now in place (UCAR's IITA
group), which uses a satellite receiver to supplement the Alden
feed; it's missing the RUC data in FOS, however;
- the old monitoring system is not being upgraded since staff time
is being devoted to decoders instead;
- UPC is scheduled to have a latency monitoring system in place by
the next Policy Committee meeting, which will include a measure of maximum
latency experienced by the community.
Discussion
- There was considerable discussion on the request to the Users
Committee for Unidata to support the LINUX operating system. The
trend toward a multiplicity of possible platforms, applications,
and operating
systems was of great concern; among the ones mentioned were
the WFO Advanced workstation, the request to support LINUX,
COMET's GARP, Unidata's move toward Java,
SSEC's incorporation of Vis5-D into McIDAS. These pose both
technical (how do Unidata applications fit?) and policy issues
(what does Unidata want to support?). The community needs and
wants a more holistic environment but various components (UPC, NCEP,
NWS, COMET) seem to be diverging. For example, if COMET moves
to WFO Advanced, how can it continue to support universities (which
are not moving to this platform)?
- NCEP is opposed to the NWS shift to WFO Advanced; it prefers
GARP. This poses issues about configuration
and data types. Mention was made of forming a Unidata/COMET
task force to discuss this situation with NCEP.
- There was considerable discussion on the budget in terms of Java
development resources. While Java implementation proceeds quickly,
testing an implementation on all the platforms supported by Unidata
takes time. Leverage the training costs of learning Java by combining
with COMET was mentioned.
- The IDD monitoring statistics may be of interest to NSF CISE;
the statistics might be helpful in planning for the next
generation Internet;
some universities are using them as a diagnostic tool for measuring
the behavior of the network.
- NCAR's SCD and CGD have engaged in an extensive analysis of
visualization tools; they may be settling on NCAR Graphics and Windows
NT.
Action 3:
Representatives from Unidata and COMET will arrange to meet with NOAA
personnel (e.g., Uccellini) to discuss the GARP/WFO Advanced issues.
Users Committee Report
The Users Committee has been focused on planning the summer workshop.
the draft program is in the notebook. Ramamurthy noted that the COMET
faculty course that was to precede the workshop has been cancelled.
Discussion
- There was discussion about the feasibility of inviting secondary-school
teachers, among others. There are no restrictions to participation,
but the workshop is targeted to undergraduate education. Invitations
will be issued to NSF Geoscience personnel such as Bob Ridky.
- A second education floater has been added to the McIDAS data stream.
- The GEMs program announcement will be reissued shortly after the
Policy Committee meeting; the processing for the grants has been
streamlined and NSF expects to make the awards this summer.
NOAA Report
Bob Fox spoke with Doug Sargeant and summarized his conversation as
follows:
GOES-8 had a mishap a couple of weeks ago. The anomaly appears to have been
caused by a failure within the wheel drive electronics for momentum wheel
1. This caused the loss of momentum wheel speed data to the attitude and
orbit control electronics (AOCE) computer. The spare was switched into
operation and operations appear normal since that time. The loss leaves
GOES-8 with no momentum wheel redundancy.
GOES-10 is scheduled for an April launch. It will be checked out and put
into "hot" storage or until some other strong need arises. Basically,
Wallops Island can only handle two operational geostationary vehicles.
AWIPS is still trying to get congressional and OMB approval to fully deploy
the system. They have nine AWIPS Build-1 systems installed in various
locations now which have passed pre-deployment evaluation. Deployment has
been imminent for some time, but miscellaneous delays on a weekly or shorter
basis have taken them into the time frame of a new Secretary of Commerce.
The new Secretary will now have to approve and Sargeant has no idea how long
this may take. The extent of final deployment is still being debated.
It has been incredibly difficult to achieve satisfactory performance with
NOAAport. NOAA is still experiencing unacceptable losses at some sites even
after switching to C-band. The system is meeting minimal specifications for
long-term bit-loss rate (~10 superscript -6) but performance is
unacceptable, especially concerning grids. It appears that the problem may
be with antenna side lobes.
The current PRC plan calls for putting lots of radar data on NOAAport. If
this comes to pass, there would be no restrictions on anyone
availing themselves of these data.
NASA Report
Fritz Hasler reported that an image of hurricane Luis created by his group
made Life magazine's annual "big picture" edition. Hasler then demonstrated
images of his group's interactive spreadsheet application, which runs on an
SGI. They are also able to run SSEC's Vis-5D interactively. Hasler is
involved
in a joint program with NCAR and Japan to test a distributed remote
visualization/analysis application. The project is to test the spreadsheet's
use of a high-speed, Internet connection and involves servers at NASA
and in Japan, with NCAR running the client. He reported that NASA planned a
series of demos at the AMS meeting in Long Beach.
NSF Report
Cliff Jacobs reported on the state of the NSF budget. Copies of his slides
were distributed at the meeting. Among other topics, Jacobs said that NSF
would convene a panel of 6-8 experts to review the hard-copy version of the
Unidata proposal (to avoid conflict of interest, no current member of any
Unidata committee may be a reviewer); he is assuming that a separate
review by the National Science Board will not be required.
Jacobs also reported on a new initiative within NSF called KDI (Knowledge and
Distributed Intelligence), which has building "knowledge networks" as one
component. This is essentially an effort to build the next generation of
networks and databases, converging communications and information
technologies. This effort may represent a source of funds for Unidata.
Discussion
- KDI is an effort to build on the success of the Internet as a model
for technology transfer. How Unidata might be involved was not clear.
- Committee members should look at NSF's new merit-review revisions; NSF
would appreciate comments. It's available at:
http://www.nsf.gov/nsb/merit2.htm
UOP Education Initiative
Bill Pennell reported on a new education initiative being considered by the
UCAR Office of Programs. This is in response to the Users Committee
resolution last September (1996) and the resolution in October 1996 passed by the AMS
Heads and Chairs committee. UOP will be proposing to build on the existing
resources of COMET and Unidata. There is considerable university interest
in COMET-developed content material and case studies, material COMET already
has planned to move onto the Web; the initiative would help speed this
process. The initiative would follow the Unidata model--i.e., it would be
university driven and adhere to the credo to undertake no tasks that can be
done better in the universities. Some ideas had been discussed with Jacobs
and Mike Mayhew at NSF; in addition, Pennell held a brainstorming session
attended by John Snow (Oklahoma), Don Johnson (Wisconsin-Madison), Gene
Takle (Iowa State), Steve Mullen (Arizona) and a number of UCAR staff
members. A needs-assessment proposal to NSF is now being drafted by Unidata
and COMET.
Discussion
- Copyright issues will be a problem; this is already a topic of much
discussion on campuses, which UCAR might find helpful.
- Unidata's role in the initiative is limited, although the development
of Java tools should be coordinated with the education initiative.
- There were strong opinions expressed that a survey wouldn't be
necessary since many campuses are actively involved in creating
multimedia educational materials. It was pointed out, however, that
there is no coordination among these developers and that their
creations weren't generally accessible. A goal of the initiative
would be to set standards, possibly to identify common authoring
tools,
possibly to establish a library or regional libraries, possibly to
coordinate the content of the materials. A broader goal is to give
professors tools that make it easier to do
things like use real-time data in the classroom.
- Committee members were asked what UCAR's role should be. Some ideas
expressed were to provide a Web site with COMET materials
(de-construct the COMET
modules and put the pieces on the Web), provide chat lines or e-mail
discussion groups, create an on-line version of a standard curriculum.
- The need for help with content is behind part of the users concerns.
There are new concepts, new data sources, new research results and
new emphases on and opportunities for interdisciplinary activities.
- The UOP is proposing a needs-assessment because the UOP did not want
to presume to know what is needed first. Can't "just do it" because
we don't know what "it" is.
Discussion on Operating Systems
Otis Brown suggested that the Policy Committee needed to clarify for itself
and for the community how Unidata should respond to community
pressures to support various operating systems. Specifically, he asked the
committee to consider Unidata's strategy for legacy software.
Discussion
- Any strategy is contingent on the plans of the software developers:
How do they plan to maintain current capabilities in the face of
evolving platforms? What evolution in capabilities are they planning?
- Unidata-supported applications need to be consistent with the broader
network-centric world; we may find that the developers are reluctant
to follow this evolution, however.
- Unidata is a "utility" whose work of providing software and data must
continue while it is engaged in developing new software.
- Unidata and its developers are inter-reactive and interdependent.
- OS/2 is a dying operating system; Unidata needs an exit strategy from
this OS, but an alternative isn't clear. SSEC itself would prefer
not to have to support it. However, it is more easily
administered than any UNIX system, which is critical to some sites.
- Historically, OSs are sunset only when new releases cease.
- Resource question: at what point does it become cost effective to
pull the plug on OS/2 and simply supply support for a basic UNIX
system?
- Before we exit OS/2, we need an entrance strategy to something else.
too many institutions are relying on this technology.
- The most immediate promise of Java is a simplified interface to
UNIX administration.
However, a Java-based replacement of current display and analysis
capabilities will take much longer.
- It is easier for universities to obtain funds for hardware when
Unidata announces in advance that it will be necessary.
- Perhaps the model of having a complete environment in every box is
wrong; maybe we should strive for one ingester plus a bunch of
browsers.
- If Unidata is considering a sunset of OS/2, the community must be
made aware of this because of the long lead time in the university
funding cycles. It should also be a factor in the funding of the
NSF equipment grants.
- Sites' access to the Internet was a similar situation when the Policy
Committee was considering IDD implementation
- The UPC needs to examine its options; polling users will probably not
be helpful in this.
- The sunset of OS/2 should not be part of the new proposal; it should
be completed before the proposal period begins.
Resolution 1:
The Policy Committee recommends that the UPC develop an exit plan for OS/2
that results in the sunset of OS/2 by June 1998. This plan will be
considered by the Policy Committee at its next meeting. [passed unanimously]
Resolution 2:
The Policy Committee recommends that the UPC develop recommendations
concerning operating systems (or substitutes for operating systems) for
support by the Unidata Program and present them at the next Policy Committee
meeting. [passed with one dissent]
Action 4:
There needs to be a newsletter article on UPC's examining options for the
sunset of OS/2 as soon as possible.
Action 5:
Operating systems will be a topic on the agenda for the next Policy Committee
meeting.
Unidata MRI Proposal
At the October 1996 meeting of the Policy Committee, it was suggested that
Unidata consider joining a UCAR proposal for MMIA funds. On examining
UCAR's existing plans for submitting a proposal, however, there was no clear
role for Unidata. Fulker decided instead to focus on MRI (Major Research
Instrumentation) funds. Unidata and UNAVCO investigated the possibility of
placing GPS receivers at universities and polled the universities for
interest. The deadline for submitting the proposal is short, however.
Discussion
- It was the clear sense of the committee that the UPC should wait and
apply next year.
Proposal to NSF for Future Funding
Copies of Fulker's draft project summary, proposed objectives,
risk/advancement table, and software architecture diagram are in the
notebook; a draft resource allocation table was distributed at the meeting.
Discussion
- On the software architecture diagram:
- It represents the most coherent overview of Unidata seen
recently.
- It doesn't address the evolution of packages; the diagram
needs to show the
capabilities of today and those of the future.
- The capability of interactivity doesn't come across.
- On the risk/advancement table:
- Need to define risk somewhere: some endeavors represent high
advancement or opportunity with no risk. Essentially, we're
trying to fit multi-dimensional assessment onto a
two-dimensional diagram.
- General comments:
- UPC facing the problem of how to undertake development when
support and development tasks are handled by the same people;
invariably, development gets shorted by the more immediate
demands of support. Implementing IDD required focusing on
development at the expense of support. What's the model for
Java development?
- GeoF is much bigger than IDD. Java development will require
shifting resources. Some development may be handled by
contractors and contributors, but UPC should consider building
a resource bump into its budgets for development (estimate
that the Java development will required $800k-$1.2 M) Don't
want the resource bump to distort the Unidata Program,
however. An alternative is to extend the time line.
- Maybe a more effective way to organize development would be
to have a dedicated development group. It's a basic tenet of
Unidata philosophy, however, that everyone needs to
be in touch with users and involved in keeping their skill up
to date.
- The proposal should articulate management philosophy.
Specifically, UPC's model of keeping
developers in touch with users, maintaining the flexibility to
alter focus, and having a tight linkage between management
and governance.
- UPC is facing a choice: Java or OS ports; can't do both.
essentially UPC has chosen Java instead of "treading water" or
going with NT.
- The proposal needs time lines.
- The UPC needs to map development with milestones and resources.
- The proposal should refer to the program's track record
(a "trust us" paragraph that points to Unidata's experience
with adapting to changing environments; failures should be
acknowledged with a statement of what has been learned from
them); this section should be linked to the management
philosophy section.
- Since NSF has limited funds, perhaps Unidata should seek out
opportunity funds (e.g., MRI, KDI funds) to fund Java
development.
Action 6:
The UPC should send Jacobs a list of potential reviewers when it submits
its proposal.
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