Policy Committee Meeting Summary: 3-4 October 1996
Arlington, VA
Participants
Members | Representatives | UPC Staff
| Special Guest |
Otis Brown (Chair) | David Fulker (UPC) | Sally Bates | Russell De
Souza (Millersville) |
Robert Fox | Bernard Grant (NSF/ATM) | Ben Domenico |
Colleen Leary | Arthur (Fritz) Hasler (NASA) | Jo Hansen |
Steve Mullen | Clifford Jacobs (NSF/ATM) | Linda Miller |
Perry Samson | Mohan Ramamurthy (U. Ill./Users) | Sandra Nilsson |
Julie Winkler | Tim Spangler (COMET) |
Administrative Matters
- The minutes of the May-June 1996 meeting were approved.
- John Merrill will be Policy Committee Liaison to the Users
Committee.
- The next meetings of the Policy Committee will be:
23-24 January 1997, in Miami, Florida
22-23 May 1997, in Boulder, Colorado
Status Reports
Director's Report
Copies of Fulker's Director's Report were distributed at the meeting. A copy
of Nilsson's budget report is in the notebook. In his presentation, Fulker
noted the following:
- Recent projects include:
- a new Unidata home page, new Web-based access to a user
database, and plans for more Web-based software documentation,
- a November training workshop,
- work on netCDF-3 (which includes incorporating FAN utilities),
- installation and stabilization of LDM-5,
- COMET case studies on CODIAC,
- ongoing survey of non-meteorological use of Unidata systems at
sites,
- IDD performance and urging relay sites to apply for use of vBNS,
- plans for establishing a joint NOAAport receiver (with COMET and NCAR),
- creation of Perl decoders.
- Current issues include:
- chronic uncertainties re Internet,
- NOAAport (and its effect on the Wisconsin data stream),
- distribution of high resolution model outputs and 6-min profiler data,
- cost for and nature of NIDS data,
- netCDF compatability in Unidata applications (current and future),
- operating systems,
- Unidata's role in college-level education,
- the extension of Unidata services to government entities and foreign
universities,
- financial considerations, specifically budgeting for equipment purchases
and for development activities.
- Another way to rate the current status of Unidata activities (the standard
method is given in Fulker's printed report) is:
- Community Building: Green.
Area of Potential Concern: extension in future of Unidata to include
government entities and foreign universities .
- Data and Metadata Access: Green.
Area of Potential Concern: NIDS.
- Data Management Software: Green and yellow.
Area of concern: delays in developing netCDF.
- Network Utilization: Green.
Areas of Potential Concern: uncertainties about the Internet's future
and questions on the use of NOAAport.
Problems/Options Analysis (preferred options marked with *)
- Internet uncertainties:
- NOAAport receiver at many universities,
- *A few receivers at universities plus IDD,
- *Use of vBNS for IDD.
- Impediments to netCDF as applications standard:
- accelerate development of compactness,
- lean on applications developers,
- *relax the objective. Since retrofitting is difficult, it's better to
design netCDF use into future applications.
- Platform trends:
- port applications to Windows NT,
- *tread water,
- *begin to develop a Java-type framework and build up expertise in Java
programming.
- Finances:
- see immediate increments from NSF,
- *maintain a level effort through the end of this proposal,
- *pursue NASA CAN with the University of Rhode Island.
Discussion
- There was concern about designating access to data as green, given the
pending issues. It was pointed out that the issues were still pending but
would need to be addressed in the next proposal.
- There was discussion on the vBNS: having some universities on it may result
in a two-tiered IDD system, which would be a change in policy. Some
issues: there's a difference between institutional access to vBNS and
departmental access; networking costs money; there will be a trade-off
between reliability and the amount of data.
- Current dips in latencies look like maintenance issues.
- NOAAport and Alden: there have been discussions with Alden on the
implications of NOAAport.
- The proposal will need to include a design for the distribution of
NOAAport data. Several approaches are possible:
- Ask NSF to support NOAAport receivers at certain universities;
- Ask NSF for extra money for distribution to universities through the
equipment grants process. In this scenario, Unidata might handle the
review process for NSF. If the equipment grants process is to be used,
however, there will need to be an announcement soon since it takes
universities time to find cost-sharing.
- The amount of budgetary carryover was discussed. Large carryovers suggest
that resource constraints are not real, but they are real.
- New users use more derived products and UPC support hears that users are
reporting less reliance on Unidata applications and more use on the
Web. There was discussion on why Unidata isn't using the Web as a
graphical user interface (long-term goal of Java-based applications seems
more productive).
Action 1:
Create an architectural diagram of Unidata software.
Action 2:
The UPC needs to set up a rolling budget for development efforts.
Users Committee Report
The summary of the last Users Committee meeting (23-24 September) is in the
notebook. Users Committee liaison Mullen reported on his discussions with
NSF concerning the inclusion of Mexican universities in the Unidata
program. Ramamurthy reported on the recent Users Committee meeting and
stressed two topics: the committee's resolution to the Policy Committee
concerning education and the committee's plans for the summer 1997 workshop.
He noted also that access to archived data sets is a topic that keeps
emerging in committee discussions.
Discussion
- There was considerable discussion on the inclusion of foreign universities
in the Unidata Program. It was noted that UCAR extends its
membership to Mexico; interest in Unidata has been expressed by institutions
in Mexico, Brazil, and, maybe, Costa Rica; NSF does have an IAI program to
involve South and Central America; the WMO has a defined region (Region
4) that includes all the Central American and Caribbean nations, but there
was concern expressed about using a boundary defined by another
organization.
- There was considerable discussion on the Users Committee resolution.
Issues included: whose job it should be to undertake the adaption of
teaching to the "new paradigm"; whether Unidata involvement would require
a change in the program's basic charter; Unidata's historic support of
education (the nature of Unidata's involvement might hinge on the
definition of "tool"--could include a geosciences resource search engine,
for example).
- The Users Committee is hesitant about endorsing the idea of supporting
Vis5D.
Resolution 1:
The Policy Committee resolves that Policy Committee Resolution 96.1 be
amended to read:
The Unidata Policy Committee resolves that the definition of those
eligible to participate in Unidata include institutions of higher
education within the United States and the World Meteorological
Organization's Region 4. Other criteria currently in use for
qualification of institutions to be participants remains unchanged.
[This resolution passed by a vote of 4:1.]
Resolution 2:
The Policy Committee acknowledges the need expressed by the Users Committee
resolution on education as a statement of need by the community and passes
the concerns expressed therein to Unidata Office of Programs director Bill
Pennell for consideration by the ad hoc steering committee on education that
Pennell convened in September 1996.
[This resolution passed by a vote of 3:2. A copy of the September
1996 letter from Pennell to D. Johnson, R. Johnson, and J. Snow re ad
hoc steering committee on education is in the notebook.]
Resolution 3:
The Policy Committee endorses the Users Committee proposal for a summer
1997 workshop entitled: "Using Instructional Technologies and Satellite
Data for College-level Education in the Atmospheric and Earth Sciences."
[This resolution passed unanimously.]
Resolution 4:
The Policy Committee notes and agrees with Users Committee Action 4, which
states "Unidata needs to keep the community apprised through e-mail and
Unidata Newsletter articles about the future directions being planned."
Action 3:
Include an article on proposal goals in the next Unidata newsletter.
Action 4:
The Policy Committee will consider the Users Committee Action 3 at a later
date. (Users Committee Action 3 asks that Unidata explore the idea of
using the IDD to distribute regional model data.)
ATAC Summary
A copy of the issues facing the ATAC is in the notebook.
Discussion
- SSEC is being funded by NASA to build its ADDE server for EOSDIS.
- Maintaining a reliable IDD system is the highest priority for the ATAC and
for the UPC.
- There was concern expressed again that having relay sites on vBNS would
result in a two-tier system; the UPC should begin urging sites to
think about achieving higher bandwidth connections.
Action 5:
Distribute Otis Brown's UCAR Newsletter article to the community as soon
as it is published.
NOAA Report
Linda Miller spoke with Allan Eustis, NWS, who said that the NWS had
suffered a budget cut in the final appropriations for FY 1997. The results
of the cut will delay AWIPS by four months and deploy 20 fewer units.
A cooperative observer program to report snowfall measurements at over 200
airports is being implemented by the NWS. These observations will
eventually be included in the FOS.
NASA Report
Fritz Hasler reported that money had been restored to NASA's budget for
the GLOBE visualization project. It's based on an interactive spreadsheet
model and is expected to be a tool for massive data sets. In creating the
tools, NASA is focusing on the ability to display images. Hasler then
demonstrated the tool.
NSF Report
Cliff Jacobs reported on the National Science Foundation budget; copies of
Jacobs's slides were distributed at the meeting. Of particular note was the
estimate of $3.33M of the FY 1997 NSF/ATM budget earmarked for ARI (Advanced
Research Infrastructure) grants. Jacobs also noted that Unidata will be
highlighted in the education chapter of the GEOSCIENCES long-range plan.
Jacobs reported on efforts to establish the Open GIS Consortium and on
the Methods and Models for Integrated Assessment (MMIA) effort. In Jacobs
view, Unidata universities should be involved in both.
Discussion
- There was some discussion on what role Unidata might play in MMIA; it
might be a source of funds, for example, for supporting the distribution
of NIDS data. UCAR will be submitting a proposal.
- There was discussion of finding money for distributing regional
model data and about the possibility of moving model output as a data
stream.
- Jacobs did not spend any money on equipment grants last year so will have
$200,000 for grants in this fiscal year.
- There was discussion about the possibility of applying for ARI funds to
place NOAAport receivers at selected Unidata relay sites and for hooking
sites to vBNS. Deadline for ARI proposals will the sometime in February
or March 1997 so will need to act quickly
Action 6:
Establish a coordinating committee to look into an ARI proposal.
Possible activities: NOAAport receivers at universities; relay equipment
at universities for IDD; terabyte rotating archive equipment for archiving
data. Nominations for committee membership would be to Fulker by October
18.
Action 7:
Fulker will talk to Pennell about establishing a UPC presence in the
UCAR MMIA proposal.
Brainstorming on Unidata's Future
Fulker presented a matrix of proposed activities (copies of which were
distributed at the meeting), noting that the National Science Board had
suggested that NSF grants include activities in all three of the Consensus/Risk
categories used in the matrix. There were then a series of free-wheeling
discussions.
Among the topics discussed:
- On the matrix presented by Fulker:
- The activities appearing under "Wide Consensus" form a statement of work;
the UPC is essentially promising to perform these activities--they
represent the status quo.
- The proposal needs to prioritize activities in the high-risk category. It
was suggested that the matrix be redesigned into a pyramid with the
activities subject to "first cut" appearing at the apex.
- There need to be resource allocations associated with each activity.
- On writing the proposal:
- Need to identify the benefits of new technologies (e.g., "the Model Ts
are here, we now need to mothball the wagons").
- There was concern expressed about that lack of involvement of vendors.
In-kind contributions from such vendors as Sun, SGI, Microsoft, Netscape
would immediately strengthen the proposal in NSF's eyes. Gaining
development funds from vendors, however, was deemed impossible to
achieve; better to try for one-shot donations of, e.g., equipment.
- The process of writing a new proposal should include an examination and
evaluation of Unidata's current partnerships; there should be a
deliberate decision to continue or change these.
- Many of the problems facing Unidata are being forced upon the
community by technological change, not by the science. Need to stress:
- process of decision-making;
- range of potential routes (e.g., in the platform independence issue,
the UPC could choose to support one operating system or move toward a
network operating environment);
- pitfalls of a particular course of action (e.g., the price of
supporting legacy software).
- On the provision of visualization software (the proposed collaboration
with SSEC's Hibbard on developing visualization software):
- In choosing Hibbard's package, Fulker was employing the traditional
Unidata
paradigm (the software is freely available, its adoption is an example of
working with a university, it represents a partnering in Java development);
the selection was non-competitive.
- Several members urged the UPC to look at other packages (e.g., IDL) with
the notion of purchasing a "site license" that would apply to all Unidata
sites; this would free Unidata from supporting the software. Otherwise,
supporting a visualization package that will probably only be used by a
small group (25-30) of sites will be very expensive. It was noted, however
that VisAD and IDL are not functionally equivalent.
- It was suggested that UPC's role in applications should be limited to
scripting not to building from scratch.
- There were questions about whether VisAD could be "sold" to the
community; the ghost of YNOT was present.
- Several members noted that having discipline-related functionality would
be critical. The proposed collaboration on a Java implementation of
VisAD begs the question of meteorological functionality ("UPC has
identified how to build a tool box, but not how to use it").
- Beginning in November, Vis5D will be distributed as part of McIDAS
(and ultimately supported by the UPC).
- Fulker had envisioned moving one support person to Java support.
- Vis5D can read netCDF and HDF files.
- "Free is not cheap."
- On Education:
- May be an excellent source of additional funding for Unidata.
- The need for infrastructure to promote NSF goals
interdisciplinary/education/collaboration should be portrayed.
- Unidata already has enough on its plate: the data issues alone are
overwhelming.
- Unidata's role should be clearly identified (and limited).
- If Unidata's role can be defined as a technology "half-way house" for
universities, then education technology might fit.
- New data streams will require education on their use and applications.
- On Unidata's role in NOAAport:
- There were questions about whether the UPC should be involved in running
a NOAAport receiver. It was suggested that the UPC might ask Alden
to become a partner: Unidata buys and owns the equipment, Alden runs it.
- There should be more than one receiver in the Unidata community (a
"diversity of sources").
- The system should be one that runs without human intervention.
- On Unidata's relationship to small colleges and departments:
- Some level of dissatisfaction with OS/2 exists.
- Need to articulate the objective of using Java to make data access
easier for OS/2-type sites.
- Need to point out that the Unidata process will adjust the UPC's
activities if it turns out that Java is not the route to the goal of
achieving a network environment.
- Web browsers have become THE GUI and universities have led the way in
showing how the Web can be used.
- Java will allow the packaging of data with the tools to deal with the
data but still need to focus on the sources of data.
- Historically, operating systems have been dropped/added as needed; UPC
expects to continue these evaluations, particularly in the light of
the needs of small departments.
- On the content of data streams:
- Principles for evaluating which streams should be supported by the UPC
are articulated in the principles for IDD participation.
- Users Committee is the filter for deciding which data sets need to be
supported.
- On commercial data management software:
- Use of a relational database would help in indexing, comparisons, etc;
it was suggested that the UPC consider purchasing a commercial package.
- The UPC traditionally avoids requiring users to purchase software.
- The UPC's use of CODIAC represents an example of Unidata building on
the work of others.
- On the character of the Unidata Program:
- The move to a network operating environment (Java) is essentially a
change in Unidata's traditional role. Historically, Unidata has been a
distributor (distributing data and software acquired/developed by
others). Building Java-based tools moves the program into the role of
builder. In this new model, how is the community involved?
- Unidata is moving from adolescence into maturity. What are some of the
implication of this? Should we consider changing the program's
relationship to its sites? Urging sites to change their relationships to
the public (i.e., charging for access to Web-based weather)?
- Unidata has enabled sites to become "movers and shakers" in the world
(the Daily Planet and Weather Underground sites were cited as examples.
- What model should Unidata adopt for the future: an economic model?
pay-per-view? Distributor? Builder?
Action 8:
Policy Committee members will ponder on the question: What is
the Unidata Community?
List of Resolutions and Action Items
Resolution 1:
The Policy Committee resolves that Policy Committee Resolution 96.1 be
amended to read:
The Unidata Policy Committee resolves that the definition of those
eligible to participate in Unidata include institutions of higher
education within the United States and the World Meteorological
Organization's Region 4. Other criteria currently in use for
qualification of institutions to be participants remains unchanged.
[This resolution passed by a vote of 4:1.]
Resolution 2:
The Policy Committee acknowledges the need expressed by the Users Committee
resolution on education as a statement of need by the community and passes
the concerns expressed therein to Unidata Office of Programs director Bill
Pennell for consideration by the ad hoc steering committee on education that
Pennell convened in September 1996.
[This resolution passed by a vote of 3:2. A copy of the September
1996 letter from Pennell to D. Johnson, R. Johnson, and J. Snow re Ad
Hoc Steering Committee on Education is in the notebook.]
Resolution 3:
The Policy Committee endorses the Users Committee proposal for a summer
1997 workshop entitled: "Using Instructional Technologies and Satellite
Data for College-level Education in the Atmospheric and Earth Sciences."
[This resolution passed unanimously.]
Resolution 4:
The Policy Committee notes and agrees with Users Committee Action 4, which
states "Unidata needs to keep the community apprised through e-mail and
Unidata Newsletter articles about the future directions being planned."
Action 1:
Create an architectural diagram of Unidata software.
Action 2:
The UPC needs to set up a rolling budget for development efforts.
Action 3:
Include an article on proposal goals in the next Unidata
newsletter.
Action 4:
The Policy Committee will consider the Users Committee Action 3 at a later
date. (Users Committee Action 3 asks that Unidata explore the idea of
using the IDD to distribute regional model data.)
Action 5:
Distribute Otis Brown's UCAR Newsletter article to the community as soon
as it is published;
Action 6:
Establish a coordinating committee to look into an ARI proposal.
Possible activities: NOAAport receivers at universities; relay equipment
at universities for IDD; terabyte rotating archive equipment for archiving
data. Nominations for committee membership would be to Fulker by October
18.
Action 7:
Fulker will talk to Pennell about establishing a UPC presence in the
UCAR MMIA proposal.
Action 8:
Policy Committee members will ponder on the question: What is
the Unidata Community?
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