Policy Committee Meeting Summary
18-19 May 1998
Narragansett, Rhode Island
Participants
Members |
Representatives |
John Merrill (Chair) |
Otis Brown (UCAR Trustee Liaison) |
Robert Fox |
Harry Edmon (ATAC) |
Colleen Leary |
David Fulker (UPC) |
James Moore |
Bernard Grant (NSF/ATM) |
Charles Murphy |
Clifford Jacobs (NSF/ATM) |
Julie Winkler |
Mohan Ramamurthy (U. Ill./Users) |
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Tim Spangler (COMET) |
UPC Staff |
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Sally Bates |
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Ben Domenico |
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Joanne Graham |
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Jo Hansen |
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Linda Miller |
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Administrative Matters
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The summary of the last meeting should be amended as follows: Under the
NOAAport discussion, the last discussion point should read:
"NOAAport imagery is all remapped and may not be
adequate for all research purposes."
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The next meetings of the Policy Committee will be:
15-16 October, in Arlington, VA
28-29 January 1999, in Boulder, CO
Status Reports
Director's Report and the Budget Report
Fulker gave the Policy Committee the same presentation he made
to the NSF panel reviewing the Unidata 2003 proposal. Copies of his
presentation slides and copies of his normal status report are in the notebook.
Fulker also gave a verbal report on his trip to Paris for a WMO meeting.
He reported that the primary topic of discussion was the NWS's decision,
announced at the meeting, to place all GTS data available to it on the
Web, regardless of some countries' wishes to restrict access
to their data. The origins of this decision are not clear, and it was greeted
by the Europeans with dismay. Copies of the slides from Domenico's presentation
are in the notebook; he noted that there would be no carryover at the end
of this fiscal year.
Discussion
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The uncertain future of OS/2 makes Unidata's move to Java even more important.
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NIDS: the cost of NIDS was not a topic, probably because the panel accepted
UPC's explanation that Unidata has no control over this issue. The Policy
Committee expressed concern about the lack of tools for manipulating
NIDS.
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Access to retrospective data is an important issue to users as well as
the review panel; however, its scope may be enormous, entailing issues
of policy, resources, and servers. UPC is already 'nibbling at the edges'
of this issue (e.g., the creation of the SSEC image archive, and SCD's
creation of
CD-ROMs. Anything more may require an effort equivalent to the
IDD and is tantamount to 'mission creep' without the concomitant 'budget
creep.'
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Fulker was questioned whether the WMO viewed the LDM as a solution to its
Y2K problem
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The Policy Committee expressed concern that the adoption of the LDM by
other countries might create support problems for Unidata.
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COMET has three more years of funding for AWIPS training and plans to create
more case studies.
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Unidata's financial status beyond FY 1998 is uncertain.
Users Committee Report
Ramamurthy reported on the March Users Committee meeting, noting that
the committee had failed to address the question of a topic for its next
summer workshop. A copy of the meeting summary is in the notebook.
Discussion
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The chance to meet with NWS's Tim Crum was particularly useful; NOAA personnel
at his level rarely get direct input from the university community.
MetApps Report
Murphy described the history of the nascent MetApps Task Force, noting
that the group was still short two members and was planning to meet 20-21
July in Boulder to design the groups communications structure.
Discussion
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UPC may want to consider adding liaisons to the group from COMET and ATD
and perhaps even a federal lab; these groups are also involved in creating
new meteorological applications.
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UCAR's IT initiatives might impact the task force's activities.
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There was concern that the task force looked like a design specifications
group, which suggested that UPC was engaging in a full-blown software development
effort.
NOAA Report
Fox distributed a copy of the NOAA report based on his discussions with
Doug Sargeant.
Discussion
- NOAA is funded through AWIPS build 4.2; future enhancements are being pursued.
NSF Report
Grant reported that the UCAR Cooperative agreement has been approved by the
National Science Board after extensive review. UCAR's funding for FY 98,
however, was reduced by 1.6% ($0.95M) even though, when compared with other
NSF-funded organizations, UCAR is one of the best (e.g., the astronomy centers
are being re-competed). Grant also reported on Geo's goal of developing
a long-range (10-year) vision. The vision document is scheduled to be
published in the Fall of 1999.
Jacobs reported on KDI (he is Geo's representative to the KDI Working
Group). The group has established some procedures: proposals spanning
two or more KDI programs (i.e., KN, LIS, NCC) will be reviewed by
two or more panels; more reviewers can be added (i.e., mail reviews) if
needed; awards must be made by the end of the fiscal year. There
were 1150 letters of intent, but KN received 256 proposals, NCC 236, and
LIS 49. NSF anticipates funding 60-75 of these. Panelists will convene
in two sessions: July 27-29 and Aug. 3-5; there will be 10 parallel panels
in each session. Jacobs will be submitting the Unidata: 2003 proposal
for consideration in the competition for "extant" proposals.
NSF Review Panel Recommendations
Fulker presented and the committee discussed a draft response to the recommendations
made by the NSF review panel. A copy of his initial draft was distributed
at the meetings. In the course of the meeting, additional ideas for
responding to the panel's recommendations were expressed. These were:
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Recommendation 1: Unidata is pleased that the panel recommends continuing
the program.
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Recommendation 2: [see Unidata Budget section below]
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Recommendation 3: Mention DODS initiative; need to incorporate UCAR
IT strategy and access to NCAR/SCD data sets
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Recommendation 4: Mention that PAGE wasn't in existence at time of proposal
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Recommendation 5: The potential use of LDM on inexpensive platforms by
WMO members world-wide might pose a support problem.
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Recommendation 6:
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Attachment: UPC intends to talk to Oklahoma, which is establishing
a 9-radar network to gather Level II data; could consider this a prototype
Level II IDD system; will need tools; will investigate collaborating with
ATD on analysis tools for radar data.
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Discussion: Cost to ATD of "finishing" Zebra; need more information
about the magnitude of the effort before committing to this work; need
to balance need for retrospective data against the move to Java; the committee
asks that Unidata be clear of the relative priorities of radar vs. other
forms of data. ***The committee noted that the statement in Finding
6 that there is a convergence of needs and technologies is NOT true.***
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Recommendation 7: Equipment grants will be particularly important in the
effort to help sites transition away from OS/2.
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Recommendation 8: NOAA has issues about network security (firewalls) and
policy questions; the ups will try to find ways to save money, but the
program still needs to budget for downlinks.
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Recommendation 9: It is not clear what is really meant by a "spreadsheet
environment." The ghost of Ynot lurks.
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Recommendation 10: This is already being done by the staff; the UPC will
simply publicize the pages.
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Recommendation 11:
Resolution 1:
The Policy Committee tasks the UPC to investigate methods to
improve access to historical data as specified in Recommendation 3 and
Level II radar data as specified in Recommendation 6 and report back to
the Policy Committee at its next meeting.
Demonstration of the Distributed Ocean Data System (DODS)
Peter Cornillon ( U .Rhode Island) gave a demonstration of DODS.
He noted that it's a UNIX-based system designed by oceanographers to enable
them to serve data to each other; however, there is nothing inherent in
the software to prevent it from being used to serve others kinds of data.
Essentially, the software facilitates how a users subsets, acquires, and
ingests a data set via a URL. DODS is built on the client/server architecture
and requires that the data reside on a DODS-compliant server. To
date, DODS servers can handle data several formats (netCDF, JGOFS, HDF,
MATLAB, FREEFORM, DSP). The DODS developers are not yet pushing the
community to populate DODS servers since the GUI needs more work.
Discussion
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Is similar in many respects to SSEC's ADDE server; perhaps SSEC and Rhode
Island should confer on connecting the two; might use McIDAS to look at
ADDE/DODS data.
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Populating DODS servers might be a problem--a lot of metadata need to be
created. While the data can be (and is being) served without the metadata,
the GUI, which facilitates the use of data, requires some metadata, and
obtaining these requires work. The UPC would probably have to take on the
effort of populating servers initially; users would help only after being
convinced that the system works.
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The GUI that the DODS group has developed greatly facilitates the
use of data, but it works with a select set of data at present. To make
the GUI capable of handling a much broader array of data, such as currently
handled by the LDM, will require more work.
Action 1:
At the next Boulder meeting of the Policy Committee, the UPC
will invite a representative from SCD to report on university access to
data stored by that division.
Unidata Budget
In the context of discussing the NSF review panel's recommendation 2, it
became clear that there was some confusion about the tack the UPC should
take in modifying its proposed budget. Jacobs explained that any
program receiving $3M per year or $15M over five years is required to be
internally reviewed and then reviewed by the National Science Board.
Such reviews are very unlikely to result in increased funding and might
invite comment on UPC activity with unpredictable consequences. Therefore,
Jacobs will not allow base funding for Unidata to approach this amount.
Unidata should plan for funding to remain at its current $2.3M for the
duration of the proposal period, adjusted only for inflation. However,
revised budgets submitted in response to the review panel comments can
indicate slightly higher than inflation increases. Jacobs DOES have the
flexibility to make supplemental awards as needed for specified activities;
this does not require a full-blown proposal, but an addendum with a page
or two of explanation and a budget request for the activity. In recent
years, Jacobs has funded a number of activities for Unidata by this method.
Discussion
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There was considerable concern expressed about requiring the UPC to plan
based on its current base funding of $2.3M/year. Since the program
has been spending at a higher rate in recent years, there was doubt that
the program could function at a base of $2.3M.
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Jacobs was asked whether the reviewers gave any indications on what activities
could be cut, and Jacobs responded only that the recommendations were in
priority order.
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The UPC could respond to the panel review in either of two ways: (1) to
formally close the proposal process, respond as though a large budget might
be possible and then handle the cuts as a separate process or (2)
respond to the recommendations within the context of the smaller budget.
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Unidata is both a development activity and a utility; the UPC needs to
know the relative costs of these two activities.
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Unidata cannot be just a utility--it must be an innovator as well.
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The technologies are evolving so rapidly, it is impossible to set priorities
past two years in any event; Unidata may not have a problem in two years--someone
else may have created the needed technologies. Therefore, the UPC
should identify one or two activities to focus on in the next year or two
and then reevaluate its direction and needs.
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The future may hold land mines as well as treasures: e.g., the end
of the cooperative agreement between NSF and MCI for the vBNS may have
significant impact on everyone.
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In adjusting to the budget reality, Unidata must ensure that data continues
to flow (i.e., the UPC cannot drop FOS contract until NOAAports are in
place and running reliably).
Resolution 2:
The Policy Committee thanks the NSF review panel for the efforts,
diligence, and insight shown in its Unidata Program review. The Policy
Committee gratefully accepts the recommendations of the review committee
and will consider each and every one of these in establishing and managing
Unidata priorities for the next five years. The Policy Committee
will treat the recommendations to be prioritized by the review committee
in the order given.
Resolution 3:
The Policy Committee recognizes that the facts of life are
a modest increase from the FY 1998 NSF Unidata budget of $2.3M for FY 99,
with similar annual growth through 2003. This differs significantly
from the $3.643M requested for FY99 in the Unidata 2003 proposal.
This modest increase in the FY99 budget over FY98 and NSF's forecast
for annual growth will require drastic reductions in the UPC budget.
The Policy Committee will work to these numbers until there is a reason
to change.
Resolution 4:
The Policy Committee recommends that, in making the necessary
cuts to its program, the UPC be cognizant of the vital role that data flows
and user support activities play in research and education in the atmospheric
sciences.
Action 2:
The UPC will break out future Unidata budgets by activities
(e.g., support, development) and report on these in addition to its usual
budget reports.
Action 3:
There will be an article on the Unidata budget crisis in the
next issue of the newsletter.
Action 4
Based on the UPC's actual costs and spending in FY 98,
estimate what the actual needs for the base program will be in FY 99.
Other Topics
Given the lengthy discussion on Unidata's budget, Policy Committee sped
through the remaining cagenda topics:
NOAAport:
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The current stream does not include all of the same data as FOS--no one
at Unidata knows what's missing or how users feel about what's missing.
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SSEC is a commercial FOS subscriber and as such might be willing to fill
in any gaps in the NOAAport stream
Outstanding Participation Award
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No money has been identified that could be used for this.
KDI
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Copies of the proposal submitted by Fulker to NSF for KDI are in the notebooks.
Anyone with comments on the KDI proposal should contact Fulker directly.
Action 5:
The UPC will spend the summer evaluating the NOAAport data
stream, particularly in comparison to FOS.
Action 6:
A discussion of NEXRAD will be on the agenda for the next meeting.
Action 7:
The topic of appointments for the Users Committee will be handled
via e-mail.
Resolution 5:
The Policy Committee endorses the establishment of the Russell
DeSouza Award for Outstanding Participation as recommended by the Unidata
Users Committee.
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