Re: visad-list-digest V1 #146

Tom,

At 01:32 PM 11/27/2002, Tom Whittaker wrote:
To that end, I'm always open to suggestions for changes, additions, etc.

That has been my experience in the 4-5 months I've been using VisAD, and I do appreciate it. Everyone associated with the project has been very generous with their time and advice.

Like I (and others) have mentioned, it is sometimes practical to interface VisAD Data objects to other graphics libraries...but I'm curious to know what basic functions are missing or awkward to use...aside from the comments on aesthetics...? I put things like drawLine and drawString in there to get started, and would be very happy to add more interfaces and/or options to existing ones.

Off the top of my head, I think Maohai's (apologies if I mangled your name :) suggestions are good: the generic 2D toolkit is not so high level. 2D graphs are much more common among scientists-in-general than 3D. It's true that 3D can convey much more information on a screen, but on paper, for publication in greyscale, 2D is often better. I'm sure that VisAD can do things like legends, histograms, error bars, etc. But it's just not available easily from Jython, and it's not that clear how to get it from Java either. Most of the Java examples (and there are plenty, which is great) require 3D even to compile, which I don't have installed on the machine where I do most of my development (a Linux cluster where I do not have root privileges). I understand that 3D is the main target of VisAD, but I think 2D is the on-ramp for most people. It takes a long time for casual users (as most scientists are) to learn to use a software tool (think LaTeX or Word, and ask yourself how many people you know who *really* know how to use it). You start with the simple things, you do them over and over, to reinforce learning. If the simple things are too difficult, you stop and look for another way.

Are there things in there that might be a candidate to add to JPythonMethods? I've run across some iterative tasks that when done in Jython were way too slow, so I recast them in Java.

The Jython interface will only evolve as the people using it push it.

Of course, I'm prepared to admit that perhaps VisAD is just not the right tool for what I'm trying to do right now. Perhaps it is overkill. It's a view I expressed when I first joined the list. I'm going to revisit my dormant visualization project. The conversation of the last week has rekindled my determination to get the most out of VisAD. I'll get back to you with more specific ideas about what I'd like to see in VisADJython.

Someone last week said something along the lines of "...if it seems like we're whining, it's not that we're ungrateful, it's just that we can see the potential of VisAD, and want to get at it more easily..." That's certainly how I feel.

-Frank

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