Re: [galeon] [CF-NetCDF-1.0.swg] netCDF Uncertainty conventions (netCDF-U)

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Hi Dominic, Lorenzo

I note that the UML that appears in this is inaccurate as to CF around cell 
methods and measures as well, and perhaps getting that right might help.   (One 
could model cell methods as an association class between a variable and a 
coordinate, or a specialisation of a variable, but it's certainly not a string 
... likewise cell_measures are an enumeration attribute of the cell method).

With those pieces in play wouldn't this proposal be much simpler? (I have to 
say that cell_methods are strictly associated with coordinates, rather than 
other variables, but I'd rather see the same fundamental mechanisms re-used, 
rather than new ones introduced).

Cheers
Bryan


> Hi Lorenzo,
> 
> I am not sure whether I will be at the OGC meeting, but I am interested in
> how you see NetCDF-U Summary Statistics being compatible with existing CF
> Cell methods e.g.
> 
> dimensions:
>   time = UNLIMITED; // (5 currently)
>   station = 10;
>   nv = 2;
> variables:
>   float pressure(station,time);
>     pressure:long_name = "pressure";
>     pressure:units = "kPa";
>     pressure:cell_methods = "time: point";
>   float maxtemp(station,time);
>     maxtemp:long_name = "temperature";
>     maxtemp:units = "K";
>     maxtemp:cell_methods = "time: maximum";
>   float ppn(station,time);
>     ppn:long_name = "depth of water-equivalent precipitation";
>     ppn:units = "mm";
>     ppn:cell_methods = "time: sum";
>   double time(time);
>     time:long_name = "time";
>     time:units = "h since 1998-4-19 6:0:0";
>     time:bounds = "time_bnds";
>   double time_bnds(time,nv);
> data:
>   time = 0., 12., 24., 36., 48.;
>   time_bnds = -12.,0., 0.,12., 12.,24., 24.,36., 36.,48.;
> 
> http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-conventions/1.6/ch07s03.html
> 
> It seems like UncertML references could perhaps be 'attached' to existing
> Cell method descriptions rather than being an alternative structure?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dom
> 
> On 11 November 2011 12:06, <bigagli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Stefano, all,
> >
> > it makes sense to me to present the NetCDF-U to the ESS DWG, since I'm
> > already scheduled for a presentation on a germane topic.
> > I don't think it's necessary to organize a meeting of the CDF-netCDF WG,
> > if I'm the only presenter (thanks for your availability).
> >
> > I can certainly notify the MetOceans DWG: what other WGs should I inform,
> > in your opinion?
> >
> > For the interested: the NetCDF draft Discussion Paper is posted to the
> > pending documents of the OGC portal. Here is a direct link<
> > https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=46702&version=1>
> > (authentication required).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >  Lorenzo
> >
> >
> > Il giorno 11/nov/2011, alle ore 11:42, Stefano Nativi ha scritto:
> >
> > Hi Ben and Lorenzo,
> >
> > I will be in Brussels on Tuesday morning and I'll co-chair the ESS meeting
> > on Wednesday.
> >
> > I may organize a CF-netCDF meeting on Tuesday afternoon; however, Lorenzo
> > could present the discussion paper in the ESS meeting -he is scheduled to
> > give a short talk on the CF-netCDF importance for Earth system sciences.
> >
> > Stefano
> > Hi Lorenzo,
> >
> > It's great that you've created a discussion paper on the uncertainty
> > conventions.  It is indeed an important topic.
> >
> > I will not be in Brussels for the TC there, so, if there is going to be a
> > CF-netCDF session, someone else will have to organize it.  Or you could
> > present the topic in MetOceans or Earth Systems DWG.
> >
> > In any case, it is crucial that we move forward in this area.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Lorenzo Bigagli <bigagli@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:bigagli@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > Ben, all,
> >
> > this is to inform that I have uploaded to the pending documents a
> > candidate Discussion Paper on the NetCDF Uncertainty Conventions (NetCDF-U)
> > that we discussed in Boulder, for your possible review.
> > I would like to (briefly) present it at the next TC Meeting in Bruxelles
> > and to propose a motion for the TC to accept it as an OGC Discussion Paper.
> >
> > Your feedback is welcome.
> > Regards,
> >  Lorenzo Bigagli
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > Institute of Methodologies for Environmental Analysis (CNR-IMAA)
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> >
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Bryan Lawrence
University of Reading:  Professor of Weather and Climate Computing.
National Centre for Atmospheric Science: Director of Models and Data. 
STFC: Director of the Centre for Environmental Data Archival.
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