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From: James Gallagher <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Paper on OpenDAP
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:01:10 -0600
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On Aug 12, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Peter Cornillon wrote:

>
> On Aug 12, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Glenn Rutledge wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter (Ethan?)
>> I have also just completed the review comments for an accepted AMS 
>> BAMS paper on NOMADS- mostly on data availability and OPeNDAP enabled 
>> client/servers-
>
> Great, would love to see a copy of it. Well, I guess that I will since 
> I get BAMS.
>
>>  it's also a requested companion paper to the new NCEP Regional 
>> Reanalysis.
>> I included ODC but would like to include words on new directions as 
>> per Tennessee......the TDS----is there anything I can  use as a 
>> citation or at least sentence or two?
>
> What's on the horizon in OPeNDAP land (JAMES, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT 
> THERE IS NOTHING MISLEADING IN THE FOLLOWING, AND IF THERE IS CORRECT 
> IT, thanks):
>
> 1) DAP3 - a phased release that will take place over the next 4 months 
> of an XML version of DAP2. Specifically, the dds and das will be 
> encoded in XML. The release will include new servers that are backward 
> compatible, i.e., they will negotiate with the client to see what 
> version of the DAP, XML or old style, the client handles and then 
> return the appropriate version.
>
> 2) Server4 - a new version of the servers. These will be based on 
> servlets as opposed to cgi scripts. Important features in the new 
> servers:
>
>    a) More robust,
>    b) Much faster to initiate, and
>    c) More secure.
>
> They will also include THREDDS catalogs as part of the server. This 
> will greatly facilitate, at a minimum, traversing the directory 
> structure at a site, and, with a bit more work by the provider, 
> finding data of interest within a site. GDS servers already make use 
> of THREDDS catalogs so there will not be a great change for groups 
> using these servers. We are working with COLA to make sure that our 
> implementation of THREDDS catalogs in the new servers is compatible, 
> to the extent possible, with the GDS catalogs.

This will also be the software to which we build a SOAP interface for 
data access. We've prototyped this (years ago) and know there are some 
issues, but nothing that cannot be handled reasonably easily.

James

>
> We anticipate a release of Server4 in early 2006
>
> 3) DAP4 - an enhanced version of the DAP with a few new data types and 
> functions. The specs for this are still being written. We would like 
> to release this next summer.
>
> Hope that this helps.
>
> Peter
>
>
>> Regards, Glenn
>>
>> Peter Cornillon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tennessee,
>>>
>>> I assume that James will chime in with some more info re plans in 
>>> the future. What I often do when looking for data is to use google. 
>>> For example, a Ferret user just asked the Ferret e-mail list where 
>>> he might get T/P data. I googled: topex opendap coards. Ferret feels 
>>> comfortable with COARDS so I figured that if I could find his data 
>>> in COARDS for available via OPeNDAP he should suck the data directly 
>>> into Ferret via OPeNDAP. I found the MERSEA site right off the bat. 
>>> I've used the same trick to find SST data and wind data. The work 
>>> that we are currently doing to incorporate THREDDS into OPeNDAP 
>>> servers as well as to upgrade our servers so that they indicate 
>>> their presence on the network is aimed at the same problem. 
>>> Hopefully, one can use Google or another search engine to  find 
>>> OPeNDAP servers and then one can crawl these sites via the THREDDS 
>>> catalog. We do have a project with the UCSB Alexandria Digital 
>>> Library group to work on better data discovery and I believe that 
>>> they are investigating a web crawler that will look for OPeNDAP 
>>> server based on some of the ideas that I have brought forward re 
>>> searches via Google. Hope that this helps.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> p.s. If you are interested in papers that we have published re 
>>> OPeNDAP, please let me know and I will point you at them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2005, at 8:34 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have written a draft paper on the work I have been doing at the 
>>>> Australian Bureau of Meteorology which has been accepted into a 
>>>> conference here in September. In light of some of the reviewer 
>>>> comments, I would like to spend a little more time describing the 
>>>> OpenDAP community, and going into more depth w.r.t. XML data 
>>>> catalogs etc.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I thought I might try would be to write a catalog crawler 
>>>> to demonstrate how one can discover data sources using automated 
>>>> tools to a greater extent that possible under ad-hoc data 
>>>> publication.
>>>>
>>>> I also thought I would get some feedback on what the community saw 
>>>> as the most interesting aspects of thredds/opendap, and what new 
>>>> directions are on the horizon (if I might be allowed to mix my 
>>>> metaphors).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -T
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>>  Peter Cornillon
>>>    Graduate School of Oceanography     -  Telephone: (401) 874-6283
>>>       University of Rhode Island                 -               
>>> Fax: (401) 874-6728
>>>         Narragansett, RI 02882                    -           
>>> E-mail: address@hidden
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Glenn K. Rutledge
>> NOMADS Program Manager
>> NOAA Meteorologist / Physical Scientist
>> National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
>> National Climatic Data Center
>> 151 Patton Ave
>> Asheville, North Carolina 28801
>> (828) 271-4097
>>
>> The contents of this message are mine personally and do not 
>> necessarily reflect any position of the Government or the National 
>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."
>>
> --
>  Peter Cornillon
>    Graduate School of Oceanography     -  Telephone: (401) 874-6283
>       University of Rhode Island                 -               Fax: 
> (401) 874-6728
>         Narragansett, RI 02882                    -           E-mail: 
> address@hidden
>
>
--
James Gallagher                jgallagher at opendap.org
OPeNDAP, Inc                   406.723.8663


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