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Re: Problems with GRIB feature collections

Okay folks,  add this to the "why I love GRIB files".  So I am going through 
checking everything,  That the file has the right name,  that the file is in 
the right sub-folder and that the date in the file is correct.  And I starting 
to get some weird errors,  as in:

> (py36) SWC-ROYMLT2-m:DataManagement rmendels$ ./wgrib -V 
> /Volumes/thredds1_FNMOC_NAVGEM/onedegree/pressure/201701/US058GMET-GR1mdl.0018_0240_00000F0RL2017010200_0102_000000-000000pres
> rec 1:326:date 2017010200 PRMSL kpds5=2 kpds6=102 kpds7=0 levels=(0,0) 
> grid=240 MSL anl:
>   PRMSL=Pressure reduced to MSL [Pa]
>   timerange 0 P1 0 P2 0 TimeU 1  nx 360 ny 181 GDS grid 0 num_in_ave 0 
> missing 0
>   center 58 subcenter 0 process 18 Table 2 scan: WE:SN winds(N/S)
>   latlon: lat  -90.000000 to 90.000000 by 1.000000  nxny 65160
>           long 0.000000 to -1.000000 by 1.000000, (360 x 181) scan 64 mode 
> 128 bdsgrid 1
>   min/max data 96403 104493  num bits 10  BDS_Ref 9640.3  DecScale -1 
> BinScale 0
> 
> (py36) SWC-ROYMLT2-m:DataManagement rmendels$ python
> Python 3.6.3 | packaged by conda-forge | (default, Nov  4 2017, 10:13:32)
> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 6.1.0 (clang-602.0.53)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import pygrib
> >>> myFile = 
> >>> '/Volumes/thredds1_FNMOC_NAVGEM/onedegree/pressure/201701/US058GMET-GR1mdl.0018_0240_00000F0RL2017010200_0102_000000-000000pres'
> >>> grbs = pygrib.open(myFile)
> >>> grbs.messages
> 0

So the "wgrib" program reads it just fine.  The python package pygrib says 
there are no messages, and I then tried opening the file in toolsUI which 
throws a java error that it is not a valid CDM file.  Just to make certain that 
isn't happening with all of our files,  I can take another file that doesn't 
throw the pygrib error (how I discovered this), and all three (wgrib,  pygrib, 
toolsUI) are quite happy.

Sooo....

-Roy


> On Dec 8, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> Sounds good. We'll get this worked out sooner or later!
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
> <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Let  me look at that.  Let me also go over the logs more carefully to make 
>> certain that nothing is on one of them that I am missing.  Will also be 
>> writing a python program to go over each file and check the times. Probably 
>> not this weekend unless I got motivated, will let you know.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help!!!
>> 
>> -Roy
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings Roy,
>>> 
>>> Not sure if this is causing the issues or not, but I noticed that the
>>> collection from 201604:
>>> 
>>> http://thredds1.pfeg.noaa.gov/thredds/catalog/FNMOC/NAVGEM/onedegree/pressure/6hr/FNMOC_NAVGEM_1-degree_6-hourly_Pressure-201604/catalog.html?dataset=FNMOC/NAVGEM/onedegree/pressure/6hr/FNMOC_NAVGEM_1-degree_6-hourly_Pressure-201604
>>> 
>>> shows
>>> 
>>> Start: 2016-04-01T00:00:00Z
>>> End: 2016-05-04T06:00:00Z
>>> 
>>> The end time in May looks a little suspicious. Can you check those
>>> files to see if there is actually data from May in that directory? I
>>> know the docs say that the directories should only contain grids from
>>> the same partition, but I am not sure what happens if that rule is
>>> violated (i.e. a few May grids in the April directory). It's a shot in
>>> the dark.
>>> 
>>> Worst case - how big is the entire collection?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>> Hi Sean:
>>>> 
>>>> So,  I shutdown the TDS.  I removed all the ncx* and gbx* files.  I 
>>>> removed the grid cache.  So the restart should be completely clean.  I 
>>>> started the TDM.  I started the TDS.  The TDM did its thing.  For the 
>>>> NAVGEM 1-day,  no matter which of the best options I look at(Best,  or 
>>>> Full), the last time still have an increment of  8 hours instead of 6,  
>>>> and is off into the future.  All of the other times are correct.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> -Roy
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't reproduce the issue here locally with the files and the
>>>>> catalog you provided. Can you try to remove all of the .gbx9 and .ncx3
>>>>> files for the one degree collection and have the TDM rebuild them from
>>>>> scratch?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sean
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Roy,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It made it - thanks! Let me take a look and see what I come up with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
>>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>> Just sent an email with the file.  I know in the past sometimes files 
>>>>>>> that make it through our mailer don't make it through yours.  Let me 
>>>>>>> know if you get it,  otherwise I will send by a different method.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Roy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can I get a copy of the files from December 4th? If that is too large,
>>>>>>>> I can work with the gbx9 and ncx3 files.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
>>>>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The latest time range is correct based on the files in the directory. 
>>>>>>>>>    The files are in sub directories like 201712, so given that the 
>>>>>>>>> xml defines "as directory"  it is doing that and is finding the 
>>>>>>>>> correct times, if that helps at all.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Roy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roy,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This might take a bit. If we look at the time range on the "Best"
>>>>>>>>>> collection, we get:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Start: 2013-02-21T00:00:00Z
>>>>>>>>>> End: 2017-12-09T06:00:00Z
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However, if we look at the time range on the "latest" (201712), we 
>>>>>>>>>> get:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Start: 2017-12-01T00:00:00Z
>>>>>>>>>> End: 2017-12-04T18:00:00Z
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It's not clear where anything after 2017-12-04T18:00:00Z is coming
>>>>>>>>>> from, but I think I have a way of tracking it down if it isn't a bug
>>>>>>>>>> (again, it will just take a bit of time).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
>>>>>>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay the TwoD datasets are showing.  I still see the same issue 
>>>>>>>>>>> with the last time.  Can easily send you sample data if that would 
>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -ROy
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Can you try removing the ncx files to force the TDM to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> regenerate them? Both the TDS and TDM will need to be restarted.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:17 PM Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adding that appears to have sent that dataset into 
>>>>>>>>>>>> never-neverland.  Now I get no response.  DOn't see an error in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the log file either.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Roy
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings Roy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay - I've been in a teleconference all morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the TDS may be picking up on the fact that some of those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> records
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are encoded as forecasts. That's possible, and I'll keep that in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The xml snippet should look like this (change made to first line 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to add TwoD):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gribConfig datasetTypes="TwoD Best LatestFile">
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pdsHash>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <useTableVersion>false</useTableVersion>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> </pdsHash>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> </gribConfig>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW - I should add that the 1-degree data is a special run that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do for us,  and the way I understand it in their processing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms the 00 and 12 files are considered real-time,  while the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 06 and 18 files are considered "forecasts".  They have different 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filenames because of that, for example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US058GMET-GR1mdl.0018_0240_00000F0RL2017120400_0102_000000-000000pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US058GMET-GR1mdl.0018_0240_00000F0OF2017120418_0102_000000-000000pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is why in the regex for the time I have to skip two spaces. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In case this info helps any:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wgrib -V 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US058GMET-GR1mdl.0018_0240_00000F0RL2017120400_0102_000000-000000pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rec 1:21:date 2017120400 PRMSL kpds5=2 kpds6=102 kpds7=0 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels=(0,0) grid=240 MSL anl:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRMSL=Pressure reduced to MSL [Pa]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timerange 0 P1 0 P2 0 TimeU 1  nx 360 ny 181 GDS grid 0 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> num_in_ave 0 missing 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center 58 subcenter 0 process 18 Table 2 scan: WE:SN winds(N/S)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latlon: lat  -90.000000 to 90.000000 by 1.000000  nxny 65160
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     long 0.000000 to -1.000000 by 1.000000, (360 x 181) scan 64 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode 128 bdsgrid 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> min/max data 95236 104736  num bits 10  BDS_Ref 9523.6  DecScale 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 BinScale 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wgrib -V 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US058GMET-GR1mdl.0018_0240_00000F0OF2017120418_0102_000000-000000pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rec 1:0:date 2017120418 PRMSL kpds5=2 kpds6=102 kpds7=0 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels=(0,0) grid=240 MSL anl:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRMSL=Pressure reduced to MSL [Pa]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timerange 0 P1 0 P2 0 TimeU 1  nx 360 ny 181 GDS grid 0 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> num_in_ave 0 missing 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center 58 subcenter 0 process 18 Table 3 scan: WE:SN winds(N/S)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latlon: lat  -90.000000 to 90.000000 by 1.000000  nxny 65160
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     long 0.000000 to -1.000000 by 1.000000, (360 x 181) scan 64 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode 128 bdsgrid 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> min/max data 94770 104260  num bits 10  BDS_Ref 9477  DecScale 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 BinScale 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW - Note the different table,  which is why I have include in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the xml the stuff about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      <pdsHash>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <useTableVersion>false</useTableVersion>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      </pdsHash>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Roy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Sean Arms <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the second question regarding "full" vs "best", this has to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with how the overall collection is aggregated. For the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> half-degree NAVGEM, you have monthly collections of grids, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of the forecasts overlap. Therefore, the overall 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection aggregation exposes all of the grids. For the one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree, it looks like the TDS thinks there was an overlap in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grids (i.e. two grids with the same valid time), and so one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the overlapped grids was "better" (i.e. closer to a runtime) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the other was dropped to make a "best" collection. However, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see that happening in any of the monthly collections 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed, so it is probably a bug. In the xml for these two 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collections, can you add "TwoD" to the datasetTypes attribute 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the gribConfig element? That will give us a bit more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice" -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward 
>>>>>>>>>>>> justice" -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward 
>>>>>>>>>>> justice" -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
>>>>>>>>> Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" 
>>>>>>>>> -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
>>>>>>> Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" 
>>>>>>> -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> **********************
>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
>>>> Government or NOAA."
>>>> **********************
>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>>>> 
>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK 
>>>> Jr.
>>>> 
>> 
>> **********************
>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
>> Government or NOAA."
>> **********************
>> Roy Mendelssohn
>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>> NOAA/NMFS
>> Environmental Research Division
>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>> ***Note new street address***
>> 110 McAllister Way
>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>> e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
>> 
>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK Jr.
>> 

**********************
"The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
Government or NOAA."
**********************
Roy Mendelssohn
Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
NOAA/NMFS
Environmental Research Division
Southwest Fisheries Science Center
***Note new street address***
110 McAllister Way
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Phone: (831)-420-3666
Fax: (831) 420-3980
e-mail: address@hidden www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/

"Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
"From those who have been given much, much will be expected" 
"the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" -MLK Jr.