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20000131: ADDE server issues (cont.)
- Subject: 20000131: ADDE server issues (cont.)
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:57:36 -0700
>From: Gilbert Sebenste <address@hidden>
>Organization: NIU
>Keywords: 200001311730.KAA02738 McIDAS ADDE accounting
Gilbert,
re: sites only slowly catching on to ADDE
>I bet they will now. At the expense of your ADDE server! :-(
Well, the fact is that we don't keep data holdings of any significance
here, and we do not intend to be a data shop. The ADDE server that
you have gotten to try out is a development system. Its access by the
outside world can and will come and go as we do development tasks. I
do not intend to open this up to the world.
re: not abuse data transfers
>I'll limit my downloads to 1 MB/sec. :-)
But, I can cut you off by simply editing one file (bummer ;-).
>Will do. Do you have any restrictions specifically? I mean, I might use it
>very frequently on severe weather days, none on days like today.
Like I said above, this is a development system. We are not an operational
shop. My long range intention is to identify multiple sites who can serve
up data like the NOAAPORT GINI imagery and have people point at those
for their data. One project that is starting to shape up is a collaboration
with NCAR/SCD that will ventually provide a machine from which people
can get near realtime data that was in the IDD and eventually access
to the MASS store holdings -- free of charge --!
>I have
>been using it some today to show College of DuPage what you've done.
OK. What did they think?
>They were thinking of losing McIDAS.
I thought so.
>Now, they want it by Feb. 20. We'll see.
What is special about Feb. 20?
>They will need to talk to you to have access to the machine, if you
>grant it.
We can work something out I am sure.
re: server accessibility
>Are you planning to get rid of the server then?
No, but it is a development system. Things can change rapidly. Like
just this afternoon, most of the RTGINI dataset descriptors were changed
to support the full set of GINI images. This will grow in time to
include products (e.g., fog, LI, etc.) that will be added to NOAAPORT
in the future.
re: access to remote datasets by ADDE
>If NASA and other ground station sites do this, there will be enough to go
>around.
Right. That is the goal.
>And if our OC-3 connection comes through this spring, the
>downloads should be pretty quick. :-)
:-)
>Thanks again for the help, everyone! Nope, the NASA stuff still isn't up.
>From address@hidden Mon Jan 31 16:09:40 2000
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Unidata Support wrote:
re: ADDE is cool
>It is very cool indeed! I'm just getting around to trying it.
re: datasets that need limited distribution
>NIDS goes buh-bye Oct. 1. But NLDN will always be there...maybe.
Right, but the principle stands. New datasets in the future will also
need distribution restriction.
re: problems at MSFC
>Yo no comprende. Glad it's not on my end. :-)
>Whoo hoo. I love NOAAPORT! :-)
>Thanks again guys for all your help! We'll keep struggling here to figure
>this out.
Later...
Tom
>From address@hidden Mon Jan 31 22:26:13 2000
> Well, the fact is that we don't keep data holdings of any significance
> here, and we do not intend to be a data shop. The ADDE server that
> you have gotten to try out is a development system. Its access by the
> outside world can and will come and go as we do development tasks. I
> do not intend to open this up to the world.
Hey, I thought you wanted people to use ADDE! It just so happens you have
the product we want! :-)
Who cares? I'll take it! If I need to, I'll just SKE a regular download
and save it as a GIF. Say, every 5 seconds. :-)
> re: not abuse data transfers
> >I'll limit my downloads to 1 MB/sec. :-)
>
> But, I can cut you off by simply editing one file (bummer ;-).
D'oh! Stoopid fingers! :-)
> Like I said above, this is a development system. We are not an operational
> shop. My long range intention is to identify multiple sites who can serve
> up data like the NOAAPORT GINI imagery and have people point at those
> for their data. One project that is starting to shape up is a collaboration
> with NCAR/SCD that will ventually provide a machine from which people
> can get near realtime data that was in the IDD and eventually access
> to the MASS store holdings -- free of charge --!
I was going to sugget NASA do it, but you beat me to the punch. Hopefully,
we'll get this straightened out. Problem: There's NO way I can be a
level-1 site (with a satellite dish sucking in NOAAPORT). :-(
I can relay stuff, and ooooh, wait 'til that 155 mb/sec OC-3 comes online!
But no matter how fast of an Internet connection we have, we still can't
be a tier 1.
> >I have
> >been using it some today to show College of DuPage what you've done.
>
> OK. What did they think?
They lost another computer too. Yep, excessive drool. :-)
> >They were thinking of losing McIDAS.
>
> I thought so.
>
> >Now, they want it by Feb. 20. We'll see.
>
> What is special about Feb. 20?
They want it for forecasting class, second part, when severe weather
really starts in the southern U.S. I showed them an enhanced 1 KM visible
of northern IL. I could hear the screaming halfway down I-88!
Why lose McIDAS? They, as well as I, want 15 minute imagery. That's on the
web now via UCAR and NASA. So why use McIDAS to loop sat. images if you
can't feed it the data to beat what's out there? Now you can! No offense,
it's not a McIDAS issue per se, it's a data issue. Spatial and temporal.
> >They will need to talk to you to have access to the machine,
if you > >grant it.
>
> We can work something out I am sure.
Cool! They would REALLY appreciate it for classwork and storm chasing,
> re: server accessibility
> >Are you planning to get rid of the server then?
>
> No, but it is a development system. Things can change rapidly. Like
The weather? :-)
> just this afternoon, most of the RTGINI dataset descriptors were changed
> to support the full set of GINI images. This will grow in time to
> include products (e.g., fog, LI, etc.) that will be added to NOAAPORT
> in the future.
I saw. I saw. Gosh, those 1 KM vis images of the U.S. are fantastic. I
know they are *slightly* less than full quality, but they're so close, I
could care less! :-) And you know what? The sad thing is, AWIPS can't do
what McIDAS can with that data. Well, sad for NWS. SPC forecasters are
royally torqued about that. Maybe you could allow them access...? :-)
Actually, they have NP, so they're fine, if they can have McIDAS, which
they can't.
> re: access to remote datasets by ADDE
> >If NASA and other ground station sites do this, there will be enough to go
> >around.
>
> Right. That is the goal.
Hello Cornell, U-Washington, UCAR, NASA! :-)
> re: datasets that need limited distribution
> >NIDS goes buh-bye Oct. 1. But NLDN will always be there...maybe.
>
> Right, but the principle stands. New datasets in the future will also
> need distribution restriction.
True.
> re: problems at MSFC
> >Yo no comprende. Glad it's not on my end. :-)
>
> >Whoo hoo. I love NOAAPORT! :-)
>
> >Thanks again guys for all your help! We'll keep struggling here to figure
> >this out.
>
> Later...
Thanks again! BTW, the 1 KM 48 color MNG (Master Nexrad Grid) feed from
Kavouras is working out well. I have had it now for 6 months, and their
mosaic blows WSI out of the water in terms of resolution (1 KM) and AP
control. Plus it's 48 color, and it's $50 cheaper than NOWRAD! We did have
problems relaying it at first (I'm the relay site via Duke Power), but
now, everyone is happy as the bugs are out of the system and we're lovin'
it. The LDM rocks and so does DTN/Kavouras!
Gilbert Sebenste ********
>From address@hidden Tue Feb 1 08:34:52 2000
Heh, I was so excited that I forgot to put this out yesterday at about
12:15 PM local time:
I'm just looking at UNIDATA's imagery. Doing a little nosing around (like
listing the GINI stuff and using the GE1KVIS), I pulled up a 1 KM image
for northern Illinois and nearly fell off my chair. WOW!!! The resolution
is UNBELIEVABLE! NOW WE'RE TALKING! I wish I could have a ground station
to view this, but alas...in this building, in this part of campus, no way.
Gilbert Sebenste ********
>From address@hidden Wed Feb 2 10:34:31 2000
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:11:16 -0600
From: "Guillory, Anthony" <address@hidden>
To: 'MUG' <address@hidden>
Cc: "Gilbert Sebenste (E-mail)" <address@hidden>
Subject: RE: ADDE
Jay,
I just forwarded your request for access to our sys admins - should have it
setup shortly. I can say that we have machines at NASA/Langley (as well as
within our building) accessing the server routinely to grab data, so I tend
to think it is a client problem or a comm problem between Unidata 7.6xx and
UW 7.5xx. But I'm puzzled.
Anthony
Anthony R. Guillory
NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center
Global Hydrology and Climate Center
977 Explorer Blvd.
Huntsville, AL 35806-2807
(256) 922-5894
(256) 922-5723 FAX
address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>
Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES
<http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES>
-----Original Message-----
From: MUG [mailto:address@hidden]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:02 AM
To: address@hidden
Cc: MUG
Subject: RE: ADDE
Hi Anthony-
I showed your trce file to a programmer and he wasn't sure what it was
telling us. We were wondering if you could allow access to us here at SSEC?
We could come in through a specific machine (144.92.109.150,
brutus.ssec.wisc.edu). Hopefully this would narrow down if it is a
problem with the client or with the server. Let us know if this is possible.
Thanks, Jay
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Subject: RE: ADDE
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Jay,
Here are the entire contents (1 line) of the "trce" file after Gilbert did
the IMGLIST ... TRACE=1 command:
ADIRSERV 1:G8-GHCC VIS 1095519264 AUX=YES TRACE=1 BAND=ALL
X
Let me know if you need us to do any additional testing, questions, etc.
Thanks for your help.
Anthony
Anthony R. Guillory
NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center
Global Hydrology and Climate Center
977 Explorer Blvd.
Huntsville, AL 35806-2807
(256) 922-5894
(256) 922-5723 FAX
address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>
Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES
<http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES>
-----Original Message-----
From: MUG [mailto:address@hidden]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 4:01 PM
To: address@hidden
Cc: MUG
Subject: FW: ADDE
Hi Anthony-
I sent your problem to our programming staff. They would
like Gilbert to run a command with the keyword, TRACE=1:
IMGLIST G8-GHCC/VIS.ALL TRACE=1
If you are not familiar with this, TRACE=1 will create a
file named "trce" on your server. In a standard setup this file
is created in
the ~mcadde/mcidas/data directory. However, with site specific
MCPATH
statements it may be created elsewhere.
Before Gilbert runs the command, check your server
directories for any "trce" files and delete them. Have him run the
IMGLIST...TRACE=1
command. Then
find the trce file and please send it to the Help Desk.
Hopefully this will provide some insight into why the server is
failing.
Thanks,
Jay Heinzelman
McIDAS Help Desk
address@hidden
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Subject: FW: ADDE Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000
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MUG,
We are trying to grant access to our
McIDAS-X ADDE server
(UW McIDAS-X
7.501, SGI Origin 200, dual 180 MHz R10000)
to Gilbert
Sebenste at NIU =
who
is running (Linux Redhat 6.0 dual PII 450
MHZ Intel-based PC
from SW
Technologies with Unidata McIDAS-X 7.605).
We can confirm
that he can =
ping,
traceroute, telnet to port 500, and even see
that he
"connects" to the =
ADDE
server in the system log files using the
commands shown
below, but he =
is
unable to access any data. I've attached
below the output
(with =
DEV=3DCCC) of
series of commands that I had him try. All
end with the
same result.
Access to the ADDE server is controlled
through the
etc.hosts =
allow/deny
files and not through the McIDAS accounting
s/w due to
security =
concerns. We
have also verified that reverse DNS works
for his machine.
Tom Yokas at
Unidata has provided some insight into
things but since this
is getting =
over
my head I thought I'd turn to you as well.
Any ideas as to
the culprit =
to
this problem?
P.S. As a side note, I can connect to his
server (same
machine) from =
our
server (acting as the client of course)
without a problem.
Thanks, Anthony
Anthony R. Guillory=20
NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center
Global Hydrology and Climate Center
977 Explorer Blvd.
Huntsville, AL 35806-2807
(256) 922-5894
(256) 922-5723 FAX
address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden> =
=20
Geostationary Satellite Data:
http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES
<http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES>=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Gilbert Sebenste
[mailto:address@hidden]
<mailto:[mailto:address@hidden]>=20
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 AM
To: Guillory, Anthony
Cc: David Cross (E-mail); Edwards, Rita;
Paul Meyer
(@rimeice) (E-mail)
Subject: RE: ADDE
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Guillory, Anthony
wrote:
> Gilbert,
>=20
> If you show 198.116.59.198 in
your=20
>=20
> DATALOC LIST
>=20
> For the G8-GHCC dataset. Do the
following in
McIDAS:=20
OK, here you go. I separated a few lines to
make it easier
to read.
TFILE did OPEN on window 0
DATALOC LIST
Group Name Server IP
Address
--------------------
----------------------------------------
G8-GHCC 198.116.59.198
MYDATA <LOCAL-DATA>
RTGRIDS <LOCAL-DATA>
RTIMAGES <LOCAL-DATA>
RTNIDS <LOCAL-DATA>
RTNOWRAD <LOCAL-DATA>
RTPTSRC <LOCAL-DATA>
RTWXTEXT <LOCAL-DATA>
TOPO <LOCAL-DATA>
<LOCAL-DATA> indicates that data will be
accessed from the
local data
directory.
DATALOC-done
DSINFO IMAGE G8-GHCC DEV=CCC
DSINFO* ***** REQ. CFILE-->ALA.G8-GHCC <--
DSINFO* Read of server has failed. Wanted 4
DSINFO* Did
No Datasets found of Type: IMAGE in
Group: G8-GHCC
DSINFO-done
IMGLIST G8-GHCC/VIS.ALL DEV=CCC
Image file directory listing for:G8-GHCC/VIS
IMGLIST* mcadir:G8-GHCC VIS 1095519264
AUX=3DYES TRACE=3D0
BAND=3DALL X
IMGLIST* mcadir:
IMGLIST* mcadir:
IMGLIST* Read of server has failed. Wanted
4
IMGLIST* Did
IMGLIST: done
SF 1
IMGDISP G8-GHCC/VIS 1 STA=3DHSV DEV=CCC
IMGDISP* G8-GHCC VIS 0 EC 34.6500 86.7667 X
480 640 CAL=3DX
TRACE=3D0 =
TIME=3DX X I
SPAC
IMGDISP* C=3D1 UNIT=3DBRIT AUX=3DYES DAY=3D
DOC=3DNO
VERSION=3D1
IMGDISP* Read of server has failed. Wanted
4
IMGDISP* Did
IMGDISP: done
TFILE CLOSE 0
McIDAS version 7.605
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opinions =
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>From address@hidden Wed Feb 2 15:39:19 2000
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:16:37 -0600
From: "Guillory, Anthony" <address@hidden>
To: "Gilbert Sebenste (E-mail)" <address@hidden>
Subject: Update (or lack thereof)
Gilbert,
Just wanted to let you know before the end of the day that I haven't heard
anything back from the Wisconsin guys. I do know that from our system logs
that they "connected" about 4 times around noon and another 4 times around
3:50. So either they got the same result as you or they were able to get
data - in either case I guess they are scratching their heads.
Anthony
Anthony R. Guillory
NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center
Global Hydrology and Climate Center
977 Explorer Blvd.
Huntsville, AL 35806-2807
(256) 922-5894
(256) 922-5723 FAX
address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>
Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES
<http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES>
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Gilbert Sebenste ********
Internet: address@hidden (My opinions only!) ******
Staff Meteorologist, Northern Illinois University ****
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