>From: Gilbert Sebenste <address@hidden> >Organization: NIU >Keywords: 200001311730.KAA02738 McIDAS ADDE accounting Gilbert, re: sites only slowly catching on to ADDE >I bet they will now. At the expense of your ADDE server! :-( Well, the fact is that we don't keep data holdings of any significance here, and we do not intend to be a data shop. The ADDE server that you have gotten to try out is a development system. Its access by the outside world can and will come and go as we do development tasks. I do not intend to open this up to the world. re: not abuse data transfers >I'll limit my downloads to 1 MB/sec. :-) But, I can cut you off by simply editing one file (bummer ;-). >Will do. Do you have any restrictions specifically? I mean, I might use it >very frequently on severe weather days, none on days like today. Like I said above, this is a development system. We are not an operational shop. My long range intention is to identify multiple sites who can serve up data like the NOAAPORT GINI imagery and have people point at those for their data. One project that is starting to shape up is a collaboration with NCAR/SCD that will ventually provide a machine from which people can get near realtime data that was in the IDD and eventually access to the MASS store holdings -- free of charge --! >I have >been using it some today to show College of DuPage what you've done. OK. What did they think? >They were thinking of losing McIDAS. I thought so. >Now, they want it by Feb. 20. We'll see. What is special about Feb. 20? >They will need to talk to you to have access to the machine, if you >grant it. We can work something out I am sure. re: server accessibility >Are you planning to get rid of the server then? No, but it is a development system. Things can change rapidly. Like just this afternoon, most of the RTGINI dataset descriptors were changed to support the full set of GINI images. This will grow in time to include products (e.g., fog, LI, etc.) that will be added to NOAAPORT in the future. re: access to remote datasets by ADDE >If NASA and other ground station sites do this, there will be enough to go >around. Right. That is the goal. >And if our OC-3 connection comes through this spring, the >downloads should be pretty quick. :-) :-) >Thanks again for the help, everyone! Nope, the NASA stuff still isn't up. >From address@hidden Mon Jan 31 16:09:40 2000 On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Unidata Support wrote: re: ADDE is cool >It is very cool indeed! I'm just getting around to trying it. re: datasets that need limited distribution >NIDS goes buh-bye Oct. 1. But NLDN will always be there...maybe. Right, but the principle stands. New datasets in the future will also need distribution restriction. re: problems at MSFC >Yo no comprende. Glad it's not on my end. :-) >Whoo hoo. I love NOAAPORT! :-) >Thanks again guys for all your help! We'll keep struggling here to figure >this out. Later... Tom >From address@hidden Mon Jan 31 22:26:13 2000 > Well, the fact is that we don't keep data holdings of any significance > here, and we do not intend to be a data shop. The ADDE server that > you have gotten to try out is a development system. Its access by the > outside world can and will come and go as we do development tasks. I > do not intend to open this up to the world. Hey, I thought you wanted people to use ADDE! It just so happens you have the product we want! :-) Who cares? I'll take it! If I need to, I'll just SKE a regular download and save it as a GIF. Say, every 5 seconds. :-) > re: not abuse data transfers > >I'll limit my downloads to 1 MB/sec. :-) > > But, I can cut you off by simply editing one file (bummer ;-). D'oh! Stoopid fingers! :-) > Like I said above, this is a development system. We are not an operational > shop. My long range intention is to identify multiple sites who can serve > up data like the NOAAPORT GINI imagery and have people point at those > for their data. One project that is starting to shape up is a collaboration > with NCAR/SCD that will ventually provide a machine from which people > can get near realtime data that was in the IDD and eventually access > to the MASS store holdings -- free of charge --! I was going to sugget NASA do it, but you beat me to the punch. Hopefully, we'll get this straightened out. Problem: There's NO way I can be a level-1 site (with a satellite dish sucking in NOAAPORT). :-( I can relay stuff, and ooooh, wait 'til that 155 mb/sec OC-3 comes online! But no matter how fast of an Internet connection we have, we still can't be a tier 1. > >I have > >been using it some today to show College of DuPage what you've done. > > OK. What did they think? They lost another computer too. Yep, excessive drool. :-) > >They were thinking of losing McIDAS. > > I thought so. > > >Now, they want it by Feb. 20. We'll see. > > What is special about Feb. 20? They want it for forecasting class, second part, when severe weather really starts in the southern U.S. I showed them an enhanced 1 KM visible of northern IL. I could hear the screaming halfway down I-88! Why lose McIDAS? They, as well as I, want 15 minute imagery. That's on the web now via UCAR and NASA. So why use McIDAS to loop sat. images if you can't feed it the data to beat what's out there? Now you can! No offense, it's not a McIDAS issue per se, it's a data issue. Spatial and temporal. > >They will need to talk to you to have access to the machine, if you > >grant it. > > We can work something out I am sure. Cool! They would REALLY appreciate it for classwork and storm chasing, > re: server accessibility > >Are you planning to get rid of the server then? > > No, but it is a development system. Things can change rapidly. Like The weather? :-) > just this afternoon, most of the RTGINI dataset descriptors were changed > to support the full set of GINI images. This will grow in time to > include products (e.g., fog, LI, etc.) that will be added to NOAAPORT > in the future. I saw. I saw. Gosh, those 1 KM vis images of the U.S. are fantastic. I know they are *slightly* less than full quality, but they're so close, I could care less! :-) And you know what? The sad thing is, AWIPS can't do what McIDAS can with that data. Well, sad for NWS. SPC forecasters are royally torqued about that. Maybe you could allow them access...? :-) Actually, they have NP, so they're fine, if they can have McIDAS, which they can't. > re: access to remote datasets by ADDE > >If NASA and other ground station sites do this, there will be enough to go > >around. > > Right. That is the goal. Hello Cornell, U-Washington, UCAR, NASA! :-) > re: datasets that need limited distribution > >NIDS goes buh-bye Oct. 1. But NLDN will always be there...maybe. > > Right, but the principle stands. New datasets in the future will also > need distribution restriction. True. > re: problems at MSFC > >Yo no comprende. Glad it's not on my end. :-) > > >Whoo hoo. I love NOAAPORT! :-) > > >Thanks again guys for all your help! We'll keep struggling here to figure > >this out. > > Later... Thanks again! BTW, the 1 KM 48 color MNG (Master Nexrad Grid) feed from Kavouras is working out well. I have had it now for 6 months, and their mosaic blows WSI out of the water in terms of resolution (1 KM) and AP control. Plus it's 48 color, and it's $50 cheaper than NOWRAD! We did have problems relaying it at first (I'm the relay site via Duke Power), but now, everyone is happy as the bugs are out of the system and we're lovin' it. The LDM rocks and so does DTN/Kavouras! Gilbert Sebenste ******** >From address@hidden Tue Feb 1 08:34:52 2000 Heh, I was so excited that I forgot to put this out yesterday at about 12:15 PM local time: I'm just looking at UNIDATA's imagery. Doing a little nosing around (like listing the GINI stuff and using the GE1KVIS), I pulled up a 1 KM image for northern Illinois and nearly fell off my chair. WOW!!! The resolution is UNBELIEVABLE! NOW WE'RE TALKING! I wish I could have a ground station to view this, but alas...in this building, in this part of campus, no way. Gilbert Sebenste ******** >From address@hidden Wed Feb 2 10:34:31 2000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:11:16 -0600 From: "Guillory, Anthony" <address@hidden> To: 'MUG' <address@hidden> Cc: "Gilbert Sebenste (E-mail)" <address@hidden> Subject: RE: ADDE Jay, I just forwarded your request for access to our sys admins - should have it setup shortly. I can say that we have machines at NASA/Langley (as well as within our building) accessing the server routinely to grab data, so I tend to think it is a client problem or a comm problem between Unidata 7.6xx and UW 7.5xx. But I'm puzzled. Anthony Anthony R. Guillory NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center Global Hydrology and Climate Center 977 Explorer Blvd. Huntsville, AL 35806-2807 (256) 922-5894 (256) 922-5723 FAX address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden> Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES <http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES> -----Original Message----- From: MUG [mailto:address@hidden Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:02 AM To: address@hidden Cc: MUG Subject: RE: ADDE Hi Anthony- I showed your trce file to a programmer and he wasn't sure what it was telling us. We were wondering if you could allow access to us here at SSEC? We could come in through a specific machine (144.92.109.150, brutus.ssec.wisc.edu). Hopefully this would narrow down if it is a problem with the client or with the server. Let us know if this is possible. Thanks, Jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- REPLY FROM: MUG Return-Path: <address@hidden> Return-Path: <address@hidden> Message-Id: <address@hidden> From: "Guillory, Anthony" <address@hidden> To: 'MUG' <address@hidden> Cc: "Gilbert Sebenste (E-mail)" <address@hidden>, "David Cross (E-mail)" <address@hidden>, "Edwards, Rita" <address@hidden> Subject: RE: ADDE Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:32:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jay, Here are the entire contents (1 line) of the "trce" file after Gilbert did the IMGLIST ... TRACE=1 command: ADIRSERV 1:G8-GHCC VIS 1095519264 AUX=YES TRACE=1 BAND=ALL X Let me know if you need us to do any additional testing, questions, etc. Thanks for your help. Anthony Anthony R. Guillory NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center Global Hydrology and Climate Center 977 Explorer Blvd. Huntsville, AL 35806-2807 (256) 922-5894 (256) 922-5723 FAX address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden> Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES <http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES> -----Original Message----- From: MUG [mailto:address@hidden Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 4:01 PM To: address@hidden Cc: MUG Subject: FW: ADDE Hi Anthony- I sent your problem to our programming staff. They would like Gilbert to run a command with the keyword, TRACE=1: IMGLIST G8-GHCC/VIS.ALL TRACE=1 If you are not familiar with this, TRACE=1 will create a file named "trce" on your server. In a standard setup this file is created in the ~mcadde/mcidas/data directory. However, with site specific MCPATH statements it may be created elsewhere. Before Gilbert runs the command, check your server directories for any "trce" files and delete them. Have him run the IMGLIST...TRACE=1 command. Then find the trce file and please send it to the Help Desk. Hopefully this will provide some insight into why the server is failing. Thanks, Jay Heinzelman McIDAS Help Desk address@hidden ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- REPLY FROM: MUG Return-Path: <address@hidden> Message-Id: <address@hidden> From: "Guillory, Anthony" <address@hidden> To: "MUG Help Desk (E-mail)" <address@hidden> Cc: "'Gilbert Sebenste '" <address@hidden>, "David Cross (E-mail)" <address@hidden>, "Edwards, Rita" <address@hidden>, "Paul Meyer (@rimeice) (E-mail)" <address@hidden>, "'Tom Yokas'" <address@hidden> Subject: FW: ADDE Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:44:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MUG, We are trying to grant access to our McIDAS-X ADDE server (UW McIDAS-X 7.501, SGI Origin 200, dual 180 MHz R10000) to Gilbert Sebenste at NIU = who is running (Linux Redhat 6.0 dual PII 450 MHZ Intel-based PC from SW Technologies with Unidata McIDAS-X 7.605). We can confirm that he can = ping, traceroute, telnet to port 500, and even see that he "connects" to the = ADDE server in the system log files using the commands shown below, but he = is unable to access any data. I've attached below the output (with = DEV=3DCCC) of series of commands that I had him try. All end with the same result. Access to the ADDE server is controlled through the etc.hosts = allow/deny files and not through the McIDAS accounting s/w due to security = concerns. We have also verified that reverse DNS works for his machine. Tom Yokas at Unidata has provided some insight into things but since this is getting = over my head I thought I'd turn to you as well. Any ideas as to the culprit = to this problem? P.S. As a side note, I can connect to his server (same machine) from = our server (acting as the client of course) without a problem. Thanks, Anthony Anthony R. Guillory=20 NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center Global Hydrology and Climate Center 977 Explorer Blvd. Huntsville, AL 35806-2807 (256) 922-5894 (256) 922-5723 FAX address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden> = =20 Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES <http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES>=20 -----Original Message----- From: Gilbert Sebenste [mailto:address@hidden <mailto:[mailto:address@hidden>=20 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 AM To: Guillory, Anthony Cc: David Cross (E-mail); Edwards, Rita; Paul Meyer (@rimeice) (E-mail) Subject: RE: ADDE On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Guillory, Anthony wrote: > Gilbert, >=20 > If you show 198.116.59.198 in your=20 >=20 > DATALOC LIST >=20 > For the G8-GHCC dataset. Do the following in McIDAS:=20 OK, here you go. I separated a few lines to make it easier to read. TFILE did OPEN on window 0 DATALOC LIST Group Name Server IP Address -------------------- ---------------------------------------- G8-GHCC 198.116.59.198 MYDATA <LOCAL-DATA> RTGRIDS <LOCAL-DATA> RTIMAGES <LOCAL-DATA> RTNIDS <LOCAL-DATA> RTNOWRAD <LOCAL-DATA> RTPTSRC <LOCAL-DATA> RTWXTEXT <LOCAL-DATA> TOPO <LOCAL-DATA> <LOCAL-DATA> indicates that data will be accessed from the local data directory. DATALOC-done DSINFO IMAGE G8-GHCC DEV=CCC DSINFO* ***** REQ. CFILE-->ALA.G8-GHCC <-- DSINFO* Read of server has failed. Wanted 4 DSINFO* Did No Datasets found of Type: IMAGE in Group: G8-GHCC DSINFO-done IMGLIST G8-GHCC/VIS.ALL DEV=CCC Image file directory listing for:G8-GHCC/VIS IMGLIST* mcadir:G8-GHCC VIS 1095519264 AUX=3DYES TRACE=3D0 BAND=3DALL X IMGLIST* mcadir: IMGLIST* mcadir: IMGLIST* Read of server has failed. Wanted 4 IMGLIST* Did IMGLIST: done SF 1 IMGDISP G8-GHCC/VIS 1 STA=3DHSV DEV=CCC IMGDISP* G8-GHCC VIS 0 EC 34.6500 86.7667 X 480 640 CAL=3DX TRACE=3D0 = TIME=3DX X I SPAC IMGDISP* C=3D1 UNIT=3DBRIT AUX=3DYES DAY=3D DOC=3DNO VERSION=3D1 IMGDISP* Read of server has failed. Wanted 4 IMGDISP* Did IMGDISP: done TFILE CLOSE 0 McIDAS version 7.605 ************************************************************************= **** *** Gilbert Sebenste ******** Internet: address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden> (My opinions = only!) ****** Staff Meteorologist, Northern Illinois University = **** E-mail: address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden> = *** web: http://weather.admin.niu.edu <http://weather.admin.niu.edu> ** Work phone: 815-753-5492 = * ************************************************************************= **** *** >From address@hidden Wed Feb 2 15:39:19 2000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:16:37 -0600 From: "Guillory, Anthony" <address@hidden> To: "Gilbert Sebenste (E-mail)" <address@hidden> Subject: Update (or lack thereof) Gilbert, Just wanted to let you know before the end of the day that I haven't heard anything back from the Wisconsin guys. I do know that from our system logs that they "connected" about 4 times around noon and another 4 times around 3:50. So either they got the same result as you or they were able to get data - in either case I guess they are scratching their heads. Anthony Anthony R. Guillory NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center Global Hydrology and Climate Center 977 Explorer Blvd. Huntsville, AL 35806-2807 (256) 922-5894 (256) 922-5723 FAX address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden> Geostationary Satellite Data: http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES <http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES> ******************************************************************************* Gilbert Sebenste ******** Internet: address@hidden (My opinions only!) ****** Staff Meteorologist, Northern Illinois University **** E-mail: address@hidden *** web: http://weather.admin.niu.edu ** Work phone: 815-753-5492 * *******************************************************************************
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