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[IDV #MKR-443485]: stereo support on idv 5.0



Hi Al,

I was out of the country when you last wrote. First a point of
clarification. You mention "3.5u1" but you really mean 5.3u1, correct? Also
confirming that stereo is working for you again. Is that true? If so, that would
be a long standing issue that is resolved so that would be a piece of good
news. Lastly, please also try the 5.3u1 nightly release on your Windows 10
system.

Please keep us up-to-date on your progress.

Best,

Unidata IDV Support


> > Hi support,
> >
> > I am still finding that the latest version of IDV will not run on my
> > desktop (but runs just fine on my laptop).
> >
> > My desktop machine is indeed Windows 10 Enterprise (with the Anniversary
> > Update, the one with native bash shell support), and has the following
> > graphics cards installed:
> > Nvidia Quadro K6000
> > Nvidia Quadro K620
> >
> > The good news is that your latest build (3.5u1) renders in frame-flipping
> > stereo on my laptop (the one I use for portable stereo display). So, thanks
> > for that upgrade! I am now enjoying the latest features with immersive
> > viewing.
> >
> > -Al Hermann
> >
> 
> We did upgrade the Java version to Java 8 u51. There are some issues between 
> latest Java with the Java 3D, so we pick one earlier version.
> However, we don't have any solution for your desktop win 10. You can try 
> later to find out any improvement on the Win OS situation.
> 
> 
> Yuan
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Al,
> > >
> > > After doing quite a bit of research you have unfortunately run into a
> > > unrelated
> > > problem that we are ourselves coming to terms with. In particular, the IDV
> > > (nightly) will not run under certain combinations of Windows 10 and older
> > > hardware.
> > >
> > > If possible can you describe your hardware in some detail. Specifically,
> > > what
> > > graphics card is installed on your system. Can you also tell us if you
> > > have two
> > > graphics cards on your computer? Your system was probably upgraded to
> > > Windows 10
> > > at some point. Is this true?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Unidata IDV Support
> > >
> > > > Hi Support,
> > > > I downloaded the nightly build and installed on my machine but it will
> > > not
> > > > open, whether stereo=True or False (it gets part way there and hangs on
> > > the
> > > > "Loading Defaults" phase).
> > > > Best,
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > >
> > > > > We recently updated the version of Java 3D distributed with the IDV.
> > > Would
> > > > > you mind testing the nightly build:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/downloads/idv/nightly/index.jsp
> > > > >
> > > > > If that does not work, you can try the IDV nightly with the visad.jar
> > > we
> > > > > tested (unsuccessfully) earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > >
> > > > > > It is a standard method for stereo display, where the
> > > monitor/projector
> > > > > > flips at, say, 120 Hz between the left-eye's view and the 
> > > > > > right-eye's
> > > > > view
> > > > > > of a scene. The viewer wears "active" shutterglasses, which obscure
> > > the
> > > > > > left and right eye in synchrony with the monitor's display
> > > (synchronized
> > > > > > through an infrared emitter, in my case;  I use nVidia's 3Dvision
> > > > > > hardware). This creates the illusion of stereo viewing.
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > >
> > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you explain what "frame-flipping stereo" is?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apart from that, I will bring this topic up at our next telecon
> > > with
> > > > > SSEC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Support,
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip, but I get the same result as before, that 
> > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > IDV 5.3
> > > > > > > > opens but yields no frame-flipping stereo. I did install IDV 4.1
> > > on
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > latest Windows10 desktop (with it's embedded vidad.jar), and it
> > > works
> > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > in stereo.
> > > > > > > > Any more suggestions are most welcome.
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > Al Hermann
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is a huge shot in the dark since I have no hardware to
> > > test
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > feature on
> > > > > > > > > and even if I did, I may not have any other ideas, but here
> > > goes.
> > > > > At
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > URL,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://motherlode.ucar.edu/repository/entry/show?entryid=
> > > > > > > > > 484d181e-5358-4453-8166-cb6b191d31a2
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you will find a visad.jar file. This is a one-off visad.jar
> > > that
> > > > > > > replaces
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Canvas3D with the WrappedCanvas3D referenced in the forum
> > > > > discussion.
> > > > > > > > > Please
> > > > > > > > > download that file and the latest stable version of the IDV.
> > > Once
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > IDV
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > been installed, inside the IDV directory (wherever it was
> > > > > installed)
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > find a visad.jar. Please replace that visad.jar file with the
> > > one
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > downloaded.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At this point, make the modifications to the runIDV script to
> > > run
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > stereo. (I
> > > > > > > > > assume you know how to do this since you do it for 4.1.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What happens???
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks! I have continued to use immersive 3D with IDV 4.1 
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > scientific
> > > > > > > > > > outreach at high schools, museums and conferences, through a
> > > > > portable
> > > > > > > > > > system (laptop, external graphics card enclosure, 3D
> > > projector,
> > > > > > > > > > shutterglasses). It is a great outreach tool, which really
> > > grabs
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > attention of the audience. It would be great to deploy the
> > > latest
> > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > of IDV 5 (the enhanced float tracking capabilities in
> > > > > particular) on
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > portable immersive system.
> > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We will bring this topic up at our next Unidata/SSEC
> > > > > > > teleconference to
> > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > the workaround suggested in
> > > > > > > > > > > http://forum.jogamp.org/Java3D-stereo-td4029914i20.html
> > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > incorporated into
> > > > > > > > > > > VisAD.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the prompt response. Does this mean that you
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > those workarounds, or is it up to the user (me) to test
> > > them
> > > > > > > (and if
> > > > > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > this feasible with the present download of IDV)? I am 
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > conversant
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > java myself, but may have some local colleagues who 
> > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > help me
> > > > > > > > > > > decipher
> > > > > > > > > > > > the process.
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Java 3D API, currently maintained in limited
> > > capacity
> > > > > (at
> > > > > > > > > best),
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fewer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and fewer open-source contributors as the years pass.
> > > > > > > Therefore, I
> > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > terribly optimistic this will ever see the light of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing list thread referenced below does have some 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > information
> > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this topic as of last year though requiring 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > workarounds
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tested with the IDV.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi IDV support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checking in again on the IDV stereo issue. I
> > > have
> > > > > > > > > downloaded the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest version (IDV 5.3), but still cannot get
> > > stereo to
> > > > > > > work. I
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get stereo using IDV 4.1, but no version since then
> > > has
> > > > > > > > > functioned
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly in stereo mode. Has there been progress on
> > > the
> > > > > J3D
> > > > > > > > > front?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your support.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Overly liberal use of copy and paste.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much for pursuing this. Just noting that
> > > I am
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > > > > > > (but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is another user interested in the same issue)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Unidata IDV
> > > Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand this issue, the problem lies
> > > with
> > > > > bugs
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > java.awt. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted messages to the Java 3D and awt-dev
> > > lists
> > > > > > > hoping to
> > > > > > > > > > > revive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ultimately find a solution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/
> > > > > pipermail/awt-dev/2014-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > December/008787.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forum.jogamp.org/
> > > > > Java3D-stereo-td4029914.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello IDV support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a longtime fan of idv, and have
> > > frequently
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo-immersive rendering of surfaces via
> > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > PC. I
> > > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded version 5.02 of idv, and found 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > stereo
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works. I have used the same procedure as in
> > > prior
> > > > > > > > > versions,
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enableStereo=true in the idv.bat file. My
> > > older
> > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > (idv
> > > > > > > > > > > 4.1)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continues
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work well in stereo, so I am not sure
> > > what has
> > > > > > > > > changed. I
> > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the recent archives that IDV support stated
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...the enableStereo information is passed 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > the J3d
> > > > > > > > > layer
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much control
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the IDV interface."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this broken feature an obscure java 3d
> > > issue?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being I will continue to use
> > > 4.1,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upgrade if stereo can be fixed for 5.0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any additional information or
> > > > > suggested
> > > > > > > fixes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Status: Open
> > > > > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are
> > > recorded
> > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly
> > > available
> > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > the web.  If you do not want to have your interactions made
> > > > > available
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > this way, you must let us know in each email you send to us.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > > > > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > > > > > Seattle WA 98115
> > > > > > > > 206-526-6495
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ticket Details
> > > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > > Ticket ID: MKR-443485
> > > > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > > > Priority: Normal
> > > > > > > Status: Open
> > > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded
> > > in the
> > > > > > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available
> > > > > through
> > > > > > > the web.  If you do not want to have your interactions made
> > > available
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > this way, you must let us know in each email you send to us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > > > Seattle WA 98115
> > > > > > 206-526-6495
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ticket Details
> > > > > ===================
> > > > > Ticket ID: MKR-443485
> > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > Priority: High
> > > > > Status: Open
> > > > > ===================
> > > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded in 
> > > > > the
> > > > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available
> > > through
> > > > > the web.  If you do not want to have your interactions made available
> > > in
> > > > > this way, you must let us know in each email you send to us.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > address@hidden
> > > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > Seattle WA 98115
> > > > 206-526-6495
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ticket Details
> > > ===================
> > > Ticket ID: MKR-443485
> > > Department: Support IDV
> > > Priority: Urgent
> > > Status: Open
> > > ===================
> > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded in the
> > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available through
> > > the web.  If you do not want to have your interactions made available in
> > > this way, you must let us know in each email you send to us.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > address@hidden
> > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > Seattle WA 98115
> > 206-526-6495
> >
> >
> 


Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: MKR-443485
Department: Support IDV
Priority: Urgent
Status: Closed
===================
NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded in the Unidata 
inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available through the web.  If 
you do not want to have your interactions made available in this way, you must 
let us know in each email you send to us.