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[IDV #MKR-443485]: stereo support on idv 5.0

Hi Al,

At this point, I am at a loss to explain what you are seeing. The next test I
would suggest is to try earlier versions of the IDV. For example:

http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/downloads/idv/5_2/index.jsp

Please keep us up-to-date on your progress.

Best,

Unidata IDV Support


> Hi support,
> 
> Still no luck.
> 
> I uninstalled my existing version of IDV 5.3u1 and  moved the existing
> .unidata folder to my desktop, then downloaded the latest 64-bit windows
> nightly build. In my case installation to the default ProgramFiles location
> is infeasible (due to our IT security restrictions), so instead I install
> to \Users\hermann\Applications. Installation goes smoothly, but when I try
> to open via the IDV5.3u1 icon (or by directly clicking on the .bat file), I
> still get hung at the stage of "Loading Defaults". When I try to open
> Help->About to see the java version, IDV freezes, and I need to manually
> kill the java process.
> 
> Any more insights appreciated. Is the fact that I am installing in a
> non-standard location relevant to this problem?
> 
> -Al Hermann
> 
> address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Al,
> >
> > I am surprised you are having trouble with the latest nightly 5.3u1 on
> > Windows
> > 10 so I'm try to eliminate any source of uncertainty from my point of
> > view. The
> > .unidata directory is where IDV settings are saved and is persistent from
> > one
> > installation of the IDV to the next. But in some situations, they can
> > interfere
> > with proper running of the IDV. I could have told you to delete the
> > .unidata
> > directory but you may have settings therein you wish to keep. So, if
> > possible,
> > please move or delete that .unidata (call it unidata.bak, or something)
> > directory. Download the latest nightly IDV, and start the IDV on that
> > Windows 10
> > system.
> >
> > Please keep us up-to-date on your progress.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Unidata IDV Support
> >
> >
> > > Could you clarify what you mean by "move the .unidata directory out of
> > the
> > > way"?
> > > I do see that directory in my \Users\hermann folder; should I move it
> > > somewhere else?
> > > Thanks!
> > > -Al Hermann
> > >
> > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Al,
> > > >
> > > > That's good news about 3d stereo. Thanks for letting us know.
> > > >
> > > > I am surprised by what you are saying concerning 5.3u1 and Windows 10.
> > I
> > > > thought
> > > > this issue was resolved (if it is the same issue I am thinking of).
> > Can you
> > > > double check a few things for me. Please make sure you are downloading
> > the
> > > > latest 5.3u1 nightly
> > > >
> > > > www.unidata.ucar.edu/downloads/idv/nightly/index.jsp
> > > >
> > > > Also on your window 10 system please move your .unidata directory out
> > of
> > > > the way
> > > > which should be in \Users\<username>.
> > > >
> > > > When you go to the Help --> About, System Tab, the Java version should
> > be:
> > > > 1.8.0_51.
> > > >
> > > > Please keep us up-to-date on your progress.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are correct, I really meant version 5.3u1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, stereo is working again - this was great news for me as well,
> > since
> > > > I
> > > > > get to use new features such as the improved interactive float
> > tracking
> > > > in
> > > > > the immersive environment.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did try the nightly build just now, and it still hangs on my
> > Windows 10
> > > > > machine - that is, it installs, but when I try to start IDV, it
> > hangs at
> > > > > the "loading defaults" stage.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just submitted a proposal to NOAA, to work on blending immersive
> > IDV
> > > > with
> > > > > GPU-accelerated float tracking via Jython. We'll see if they're
> > > > interested!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Al Hermann
> > > > >
> > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was out of the country when you last wrote. First a point of
> > > > > > clarification. You mention "3.5u1" but you really mean 5.3u1,
> > correct?
> > > > Also
> > > > > > confirming that stereo is working for you again. Is that true? If
> > so,
> > > > that
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > be a long standing issue that is resolved so that would be a piece
> > of
> > > > good
> > > > > > news. Lastly, please also try the 5.3u1 nightly release on your
> > > > Windows 10
> > > > > > system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please keep us up-to-date on your progress.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am still finding that the latest version of IDV will not run
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > desktop (but runs just fine on my laptop).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My desktop machine is indeed Windows 10 Enterprise (with the
> > > > > > Anniversary
> > > > > > > > Update, the one with native bash shell support), and has the
> > > > following
> > > > > > > > graphics cards installed:
> > > > > > > > Nvidia Quadro K6000
> > > > > > > > Nvidia Quadro K620
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The good news is that your latest build (3.5u1) renders in
> > > > > > frame-flipping
> > > > > > > > stereo on my laptop (the one I use for portable stereo
> > display).
> > > > So,
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > > > for that upgrade! I am now enjoying the latest features with
> > > > immersive
> > > > > > > > viewing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We did upgrade the Java version to Java 8 u51. There are some
> > issues
> > > > > > between latest Java with the Java 3D, so we pick one earlier
> > version.
> > > > > > > However, we don't have any solution for your desktop win 10. You
> > can
> > > > try
> > > > > > later to find out any improvement on the Win OS situation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yuan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > After doing quite a bit of research you have unfortunately
> > run
> > > > into a
> > > > > > > > > unrelated
> > > > > > > > > problem that we are ourselves coming to terms with. In
> > > > particular,
> > > > > > the IDV
> > > > > > > > > (nightly) will not run under certain combinations of Windows
> > 10
> > > > and
> > > > > > older
> > > > > > > > > hardware.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If possible can you describe your hardware in some detail.
> > > > > > Specifically,
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > graphics card is installed on your system. Can you also tell
> > us
> > > > if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > have two
> > > > > > > > > graphics cards on your computer? Your system was probably
> > > > upgraded to
> > > > > > > > > Windows 10
> > > > > > > > > at some point. Is this true?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Support,
> > > > > > > > > > I downloaded the nightly build and installed on my machine
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > open, whether stereo=True or False (it gets part way there
> > and
> > > > > > hangs on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > "Loading Defaults" phase).
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > Al
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We recently updated the version of Java 3D distributed
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > IDV.
> > > > > > > > > Would
> > > > > > > > > > > you mind testing the nightly build:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/downloads/idv/nightly/index.
> > jsp
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If that does not work, you can try the IDV nightly with
> > the
> > > > > > visad.jar
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > tested (unsuccessfully) earlier.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It is a standard method for stereo display, where the
> > > > > > > > > monitor/projector
> > > > > > > > > > > > flips at, say, 120 Hz between the left-eye's view and
> > the
> > > > > > right-eye's
> > > > > > > > > > > view
> > > > > > > > > > > > of a scene. The viewer wears "active" shutterglasses,
> > which
> > > > > > obscure
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > left and right eye in synchrony with the monitor's
> > display
> > > > > > > > > (synchronized
> > > > > > > > > > > > through an infrared emitter, in my case;  I use
> > nVidia's
> > > > > > 3Dvision
> > > > > > > > > > > > hardware). This creates the illusion of stereo viewing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain what "frame-flipping stereo" is?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from that, I will bring this topic up at our
> > next
> > > > > > telecon
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > SSEC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip, but I get the same result as
> > > > before,
> > > > > > that is,
> > > > > > > > > > > IDV 5.3
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > opens but yields no frame-flipping stereo. I did
> > > > install
> > > > > > IDV 4.1
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest Windows10 desktop (with it's embedded
> > > > vidad.jar),
> > > > > > and it
> > > > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in stereo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any more suggestions are most welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Unidata IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a huge shot in the dark since I have no
> > > > hardware
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and even if I did, I may not have any other
> > ideas,
> > > > but
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > goes.
> > > > > > > > > > > At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > URL,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://motherlode.ucar.edu/
> > > > > > repository/entry/show?entryid=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 484d181e-5358-4453-8166-cb6b191d31a2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you will find a visad.jar file. This is a one-off
> > > > > > visad.jar
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > replaces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Canvas3D with the WrappedCanvas3D referenced in
> > the
> > > > forum
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > download that file and the latest stable version
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > IDV.
> > > > > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been installed, inside the IDV directory
> > (wherever
> > > > it was
> > > > > > > > > > > installed)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a visad.jar. Please replace that visad.jar
> > file
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, make the modifications to the
> > runIDV
> > > > > > script to
> > > > > > > > > run
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo. (I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume you know how to do this since you do it
> > for
> > > > 4.1.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens???
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! I have continued to use immersive 3D
> > with
> > > > IDV
> > > > > > 4.1 for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outreach at high schools, museums and
> > conferences,
> > > > > > through a
> > > > > > > > > > > portable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system (laptop, external graphics card
> > enclosure,
> > > > 3D
> > > > > > > > > projector,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shutterglasses). It is a great outreach tool,
> > which
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > grabs
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention of the audience. It would be great to
> > > > deploy
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > latest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of IDV 5 (the enhanced float tracking
> > capabilities
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > particular) on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > portable immersive system.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Unidata IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will bring this topic up at our next
> > > > Unidata/SSEC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > teleconference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the workaround suggested in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forum.jogamp.org/
> > > > Java3D-stereo-td4029914i20.
> > > > > > html
> > > > > > > > > can be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorporated into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VisAD.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the prompt response. Does this
> > mean
> > > > > > that you
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those workarounds, or is it up to the user
> > > > (me) to
> > > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (and if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this feasible with the present download of
> > > > IDV)? I
> > > > > > am not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > conversant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > java myself, but may have some local
> > colleagues
> > > > > > who could
> > > > > > > > > > > help me
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the process.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Unidata
> > IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Java 3D API, currently maintained in
> > > > limited
> > > > > > > > > capacity
> > > > > > > > > > > (at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fewer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fewer open-source contributors as the
> > > > years
> > > > > > pass.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terribly optimistic this will ever see
> > the
> > > > light
> > > > > > of day
> > > > > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing list thread referenced below does
> > > > have
> > > > > > some new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > information
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this topic as of last year though
> > requiring
> > > > > > workarounds
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested with the IDV.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi IDV support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just checking in again on the IDV
> > stereo
> > > > > > issue. I
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latest version (IDV 5.3), but still
> > cannot
> > > > get
> > > > > > > > > stereo to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > work. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get stereo using IDV 4.1, but no
> > version
> > > > since
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > functioned
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly in stereo mode. Has there
> > been
> > > > > > progress on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > J3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > front?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your support.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:57 AM,
> > Unidata
> > > > IDV
> > > > > > Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Overly liberal use of copy and paste.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much for pursuing this. Just
> > > > noting
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is another user interested in
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > issue)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:54 PM,
> > > > Unidata
> > > > > > IDV
> > > > > > > > > Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand this issue, the
> > > > problem
> > > > > > lies
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > bugs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > java.awt. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted messages to the Java 3D
> > and
> > > > > > awt-dev
> > > > > > > > > lists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ultimately find a solution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/
> > > > > > > > > > > pipermail/awt-dev/2014-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > December/008787.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forum.jogamp.org/
> > > > > > > > > > > Java3D-stereo-td4029914.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello IDV support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a longtime fan of idv, and
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo-immersive rendering of
> > > > surfaces
> > > > > > via
> > > > > > > > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PC. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded version 5.02 of
> > idv, and
> > > > > > found the
> > > > > > > > > > > stereo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works. I have used the same
> > > > procedure
> > > > > > as in
> > > > > > > > > prior
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > versions,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enableStereo=true in the
> > idv.bat
> > > > file.
> > > > > > My
> > > > > > > > > older
> > > > > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (idv
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.1)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continues
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work well in stereo, so I
> > am not
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > what has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the recent archives that IDV
> > > > support
> > > > > > stated
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...the enableStereo
> > information is
> > > > > > passed to
> > > > > > > > > > > the J3d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > layer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much control
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the IDV interface."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this broken feature an
> > obscure
> > > > java
> > > > > > 3d
> > > > > > > > > issue?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being I will
> > continue
> > > > to
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > 4.1,
> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upgrade if stereo can be fixed
> > for
> > > > 5.0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any additional
> > > > information
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > suggested
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priority: Normal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Status: Open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ticket Details
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priority: Normal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Status: Closed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden
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> > Support
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Department: Support IDV
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> > are
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> > publicly
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > > > > > > > > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seattle WA 98115
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> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > Ticket ID: MKR-443485
> > > > > > > > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > > > > > > > Priority: High
> > > > > > > > > > > Status: Open
> > > > > > > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > > > > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are
> > > > recorded
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly
> > > > available
> > > > > > > > > through
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> > made
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> > > > > > > > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > > > > > > > Seattle WA 98115
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> > > > > > > > > ===================
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> > > > > > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > > > > > Priority: Urgent
> > > > > > > > > Status: Open
> > > > > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are
> > recorded
> > > > in
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > > > > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > > > > > Seattle WA 98115
> > > > > > > > 206-526-6495
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> > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > Ticket ID: MKR-443485
> > > > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > > > Priority: Urgent
> > > > > > Status: Closed
> > > > > > ===================
> > > > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded
> > in the
> > > > > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available
> > > > through
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> > available
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > > > Seattle WA 98115
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> > > >
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> > > > Department: Support IDV
> > > > Priority: Urgent
> > > > Status: Closed
> > > > ===================
> > > > NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded in the
> > > > Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available
> > through
> > > > the web.  If you do not want to have your interactions made available
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > address@hidden
> > > Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> > > 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> > > Seattle WA 98115
> > > 206-526-6495
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Ticket Details
> > ===================
> > Ticket ID: MKR-443485
> > Department: Support IDV
> > Priority: Urgent
> > Status: Closed
> > ===================
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> 
> --
> address@hidden
> Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
> 7600 Sand Point Way NE
> Seattle WA 98115
> 206-526-6495
> 
> 


Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: MKR-443485
Department: Support IDV
Priority: Urgent
Status: Closed
===================
NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded in the Unidata 
inquiry tracking system and then made publicly available through the web.  If 
you do not want to have your interactions made available in this way, you must 
let us know in each email you send to us.