[gembud] GEMPAK going away in 3-5 years?

Thu Jan 10 09:50:28 MST 2008

AWIPS2 is supposed to undergo operational testing and evaluation at a
few select NWS forecast offices starting in the summer of 2009. I have
not seen any examples of AWIPS2 other than what I read.  It is being
written in Java, and will be heavily GIS based.  Instead of having 5
fixed scales like AWIPS, AWIPS2 is supposed to automatically adjust the
scale and resolution of the displayed data depending on how far you
zoom-in on an image.  (Similar to Google Earth?) I look forward to
seeing examples and maybe a demonstration of how it will work.

Mark    

----- Original Message -----
From: Nicholas Carrasco <Nick.Carrasco at noaa.gov>
Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [gembud] GEMPAK going away in 3-5 years?

> I'm in the same boat... This the first I've heard of AWIPS2. We've 
> been 
> developing a Java based application for the last 7-8 years for 
> hurricanes and topical cyclones. From what I've just read, Java 
> seems to 
> be a big player in AWIPS2. Are there any sites dedicated to AWIPS2 
> yet?
> Gerry Creager wrote:
> > Interesting: I'd not heard AWIPS2 would be non-proprietary!  I'll 
> have 
> > to learn more.
> > 
> > gerry
> > 
> > Mark.Keehn at noaa.gov wrote:
> >> I would wait and see what happens before making your final 
> decision.  If
> >> national support for GEMPAK does go away, it would only be after 
> it's>> capabilities have been integrated in to AWIPS2.  My 
> understanding is
> >> that AWIPS2 will be non-proprietary so that the private and 
> academic>> sectors will be able to use the software and contribute 
> to the knowledge
> >> base.  If the National Centers are being brought on board, 
> hopefully>> AWIPS2 will be better for viewing weather data on a 
> global scale.   
> >>
> >> Mark Keehn
> >> NWS Houston, TX
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> >>
> >> McIDAS would be the way we would move if something did happen to 
> >> GEMPAK.  It's ability to deal with model data is not anywhere 
> nearly as 
> >> good, but the new MySQL database storage of GRIB data does make 
> it 
> >> faster, and text products via the wxtlist, tafrpt, sclist, 
> sfcrpt has 
> >> always been pretty good...and of course satellite is still it's 
> strong 
> >> suit.  We are heavy users of it right now for certain things.
> >>
> >> That being said if I ever get a new machine with 4GB of RAM ee 
> will 
> >> install IDV on it since it runs on Solaris x86/x64 now.  I have 
> already 
> >> played around with it quite a bit on my personal laptop.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: gembud-bounces at unidata.ucar.edu on behalf of Gerry Creager
> >> Sent: Thu 1/10/2008 12:22 AM
> >> To: Rob Dale
> >> Cc: gembud at unidata.ucar.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [gembud] GEMPAK going away in 3-5 years?
> >>
> >> While I really don't want to see Gempak go away, I'm ranching 
> out a bit.
> >>   I've been real impressed with IDV so far, although there are 
> several>> holes in it.  I've also been pretty well impressed with 
> NCL after
> >> spending this week with it almost exclusively.
> >>
> >> I've also heard more (and in a way, less, about AWIPS2 as I 
> worked on
> >> Storm Based Warnings over the last two years.
> >>
> >> gerry
> >>
> >> Rob Dale wrote:
> >>  > There's a nice presentation on it from late last year.
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >> 
>
http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/committees/usercom/2007OctMtg/TuellJune2007Partners.ppt>>
 >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > And one from NCEP presented in the fall:
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >> 
>
http://www.ecmwf.int/newsevents/meetings/workshops/2007/MOS_11/presentations_files/Schotz.pdf>>
 >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > I don't see the words "going away" in there, I just think 
> that 1) it's
> >>  > an unknown entity right now and 2) might be more complex than 
> just>>  > downloading a new binary so 3) if you want to be sure you 
> can read
> >>  > GEMPAK files in 10 years, you'll be safe with IDV.
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > -          Rob
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > *From:* gembud-bounces at unidata.ucar.edu
> >>  > [mailto:gembud-bounces at unidata.ucar.edu] *On Behalf Of 
> *Robert Mullenax
> >>  > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:33 PM
> >>  > *To:* gembud at unidata.ucar.edu
> >>  > *Subject:* [gembud] GEMPAK going away in 3-5 years?
> >>  >
> >>  > 
> >>  >
> >>  > I just happened to be reading on the Unidata site about IDV 
> and GEMPAK
> >>  > grids when I was alarmed to come upon this statement:
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > "The second pressing issue is the impending transition of 
> NAWIPS/GEMPAK>>  > to AWIPS2 in the next 3-5 years. At this point, 
> it is unknown how that
> >>  > will impact Unidata's GEMPAK users, but the committee thought 
> that>>  > having IDV support GEMPAK data files would be a way for 
> GEMPAK users to
> >>  > transition to the IDV if they wanted."
> >>  >
> >>  >
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